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Vaporizing dust during chip manufacturing ?

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Skybuck Flying

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello,

Would it be possible to "vaporize" any dust particles during the chip
manufacturing ?

From what I understand "dust" particles cause lot's of chip-duds.

Since E=MC^2 maybe the "matter of the dust particle" can be turned into
energy clearing it ?

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
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EricP

Jan 1, 1970
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dlzc said:
A megaton nuclear weapon "converts" a few nanograms of mass to
energy (the rest is there just for chance).

1 megaton TNT = 4.184e15 joules
E=MC^2 = 9.0e16 J/Kg

1 megaton = 46.49 grams.

Eric
 
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FatBytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello,

Would it be possible to "vaporize" any dust particles during the chip
manufacturing ?

From what I understand "dust" particles cause lot's of chip-duds.

Since E=MC^2 maybe the "matter of the dust particle" can be turned into
energy clearing it ?

Bye,
Skybuck.
Instead of asking questions that make you look even more stupid than we
already know that you are, you should simply perform a GOOGLE SEARCH or
other commonly available search engine and READ up on the topic, IDIOT!

You should also stop watching tech shows, because since you do not even
have the aptitude to grasp the material discussed on them, all they serve
to do is cause you to come here and gum up Usenet with absolutely
retarded questions.

Do some real research for once in your life, you lazy little punk ****.
 
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FatBytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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That is part of the machining process. Clearing away the dross is a
small part what a machinst does.


Blowing up the machine, the operator, the building it is in, and the
city that supports the machine shop seems a little extreme, don't you
think? A megaton nuclear weapon "converts" a few nanograms of mass to
energy (the rest is there just for chance).

David A. Smith

You are an idiot. He never said a damned thing about "machining",
idiot.

chips are GROWN , and get deposits placed onto them akin to crystal
growth.

You should do some google work as well. Particulalry BEFORE you make a
post where you place your foot in your mouth.
 
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FatBytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Lessee. Obviously you are an "idea man" rather than someone who works
out the mundane details! I don't know. maybe a giant laser or nuclear
reactor or perhaps an LHC would be the way to go to "smash" dust
particles in chip manufacture rather than the usual fans and filters.
I mean how much more could it cost?


Jeez, you are even more stupid than he is!
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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1 megaton TNT = 4.184e15 joules
E=MC^2 = 9.0e16 J/Kg

1 megaton = 46.49 grams.

Eric

Grams? Grams of WHAT? I am sure that 46.49 grams of water would yield
less than 46.49 grams of highly enriched Uranium.

Also, a nuke does not "convert a few nanograms". For one thing, it
does not get "converted", it gets "released".

The first ones REQUIRED 100lbs of material to go critical.

Modern devices "need" less, but the designs are hardly set up where
they include more than they need. To claim so is just stupid.

Also, ALL of it goes fissile, so the "just there for chance" remark is
stupid as well.

Your brain must only weigh a few nanograms. There cannot be any more
than that after stupid statements like the one you made here.
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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Simply blast each dust particle on the wafer surface with a same-sized
chunk of antimatter.

I generously donate this invention to the public domain.

John

Perhaps you could dive into a pool of antimatter and get 'blasted away'.

I generously donate this Earth soothing suggestion to you. That way,
you might be able to recover a tiny bit of honor.
 
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Martin Brown

Jan 1, 1970
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Grams? Grams of WHAT?

Grams of matter converted into energy according to E = mc^2
EricP is right on the money. Nuclear binding energy is released by
fission and the bits remaining afterwards weigh a little bit less. The
mass difference becomes kinetic energy and electromagetic radiation.

A nanogram of mass annihilated would release about 90kJ - barely enough
to boil the water needed to make a small pot of tea.

Regards,
Martin Brown
 
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Skybuck Flying

Jan 1, 1970
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I did do a quick google for "vaporizing dust particles" before posting... it
turned up nothing !

So maybe you should do what you recommend that I should do first ! ;) :)

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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A nanogram of mass annihilated would release about 90kJ - barely enough
to boil the water needed to make a small pot of tea.

Which makes it obvious to me that he did not know the first thing about
it.
 
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FatBytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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I did do a quick google for "vaporizing dust particles" before posting... it
turned up nothing !

So maybe you should do what you recommend that I should do first ! ;) :)

Bye,
Skybuck.
If that search criteria is where you ceased looking, then it is YOU
that needs to LEARN HOW to do a simple fucking research project.

Why do you not hunt up chip fab processes and READ about WHY dust
causes an issue, even if it gets removed! They cause their problems
generally BEFORE they get found, idiot.
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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Serious lasers, like NIF, have to be very careful about dust. When
they fire the laser, dust on optics can explode and blast tiny craters
in the glass. I think NIF is the world's biggest clean room.

John

They are not using lasers to blast away particles, idiot. It would be
too easy to damage the surface it sits on.
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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It is easier to place most of the manufactuing process in a vacuum and
eliminate the dust particles. {Hint: dust cannot float in a vacuum to
land on the wafers, but drops like a rock to the floor.}

Just ask Neil Armstrong.
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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Try semiconductor particulate or semiconductor contamination
or things like that. "Dust" is sort of lowbrow to the people who write
papers about this.

John

Low brow is the wrong term, idiot.
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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And the other's point about the OP meaning chip manufacturing vs. the
chips from machining a block of material is well taken. The
equivalent "hand grenade" explosion of converting a dust mote to
energy, somehow avoiding destroying the chip circuitry and its various
photo processes, will still be unworkable.

David A. Smith



Are matter anti-matter annihilations being observed in uni labs on a
regular basis?

Common sense is the rule of the day.

A puff of wind provides all the action reaction energy we need to move
a dust particle through sea level atmosphere. Why burn more than needed?
 
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George Neuner

Jan 1, 1970
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Are matter anti-matter annihilations being observed in uni labs on a
regular basis?

Yes ... and in (big) hospitals too. Google "PET scan".

George
 
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EricP

Jan 1, 1970
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dlzc said:
Dear EricP:



Thanks for the correction. Got a bad relation in my head. Maybe it
is the ratio of explosive mass, to the amount that actually "goes
missing".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent#Examples
.... 2kg equates to 42.96 Mt, or 1 Mt = 21.48 gm (if Wikipedia is to be
believed.)

Unfortunately that Wikipedia value of 17.975e16 J/kg is wrong.

In SI units, a joule = newton*meter = (kg*m/s^2)*m = kg*m^2/s^2 = kg*(m/s)^2

E = MC^2 ~= 1.0 kg *(3e8 m/s)^2 = 9e16 J

Eric
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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Come on, you moron!

You are the fucking retard, dumbfuck.
He's an "idea man"!

You wouldn't fucking know, since you are a retard boy.

Why does he care "WHY" dust
is a problem.

Why should I care that you are a world polluting retard?

He's just giving your stooopid ass the answer to SOLVE
the problem!


No, that is what you did. Stupid ass spew. That is what you are good
for.

Nice sig. Fits you perfectly.
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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Yes ... and in (big) hospitals too. Google "PET scan".

George

Ah... molecular level stuff. Only about one ten millionth of what one
would need to take care of a dust particle.

Still quite implausible.
 
Grams? Grams of WHAT? I am sure that 46.49 grams of water would yield
less than 46.49 grams of highly enriched Uranium.

AlwaysWrong is *ALWAYS* wrong. How _do_ you do it? Mass is mass (didn't we
just have that discussion, Dimmie?).
Also, a nuke does not "convert a few nanograms". For one thing, it
does not get "converted", it gets "released".

Nope. It gets converted from mass to energy. E=MC^2, ya' (don't) know.
The first ones REQUIRED 100lbs of material to go critical.

Irrelevant. It ended up 46ish grams short.
Modern devices "need" less, but the designs are hardly set up where
they include more than they need. To claim so is just stupid.

More irrelevance (your middle name).
Also, ALL of it goes fissile, so the "just there for chance" remark is
stupid as well.

Your brain must only weigh a few nanograms. There cannot be any more
than that after stupid statements like the one you made here.

AlwaysWrong, *HOW* can you be so wrong? Always!
 
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