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John

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi guys,

I'm building a bicycle light and I've decided to go with the 7.2V battery
pack (for RC) as you suggested. I'm using is 16W xenon bulb. How can I
change the intensity? I assume I have to reduce the voltage? How could I get
my pack to switch voltage to give me say 5W ,10W and 16W at the flip of a
switch?

These questions might have been asked before... but I'm new at this
thing... so feel free to just point to the answer...

Many thanks
 
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Joel Kolstad

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
I'm building a bicycle light and I've decided to go with the 7.2V
battery pack (for RC) as you suggested. I'm using is 16W xenon bulb. How
can I change the intensity? I assume I have to reduce the voltage?

Yes, but what you don't want to do is just drop the voltage through
something that'll just turn it into heat like a resistor. Instead, what is
often done is to send a square wave with an adjustable duty cycle to a light
bulb. The lower the duty cycle, the lower the RMS value of the voltage the
bulb sees and the less power the bulb will use. This is readily done using
a 555 timer IC and a MOSFET as the switch. I'd suggest running the 555 at
somewhere between 100Hz and some kilohertz, nominally -- lower values can
start to allow you to _see_ the switching action (this is based on the
thermal inertia of the filament -- how quickly it cools down), whereas
higher values will make the switching action slightly less efficient
(although until you get to megahertz, this is probably pretty negligible).

Note that your 16W bulb is going to become a lot less efficient at 5W,
because most of the filament's thermal energy will be emitted as infrared
radiation that isn't going to help you, as a human, one iota. (You might
make the comparison between a single 2 'C' bike light, which often use 2.4W
bulbs, and you setup running at 2.4W -- you'll find that your light will be
much redder and not as good. There isn't much of a way around this problem
with blackbody radiation sources -- if you get ambitious someday, you can
try high intensity discharge bulbs or LEDs which don't exhibit this
behavior.)

What I've described here is on open loop system in that, if the battery
voltage drops a little, the bulb's power consumption will change a little as
well. NiCads have a pretty flat discharge curve so this won't be a problem,
but if you actually want _calibrated_ wattages regardless of battery input
voltage, you'll need a rather fancier design with (most easily) something
like a switching regulator controller IC.

---Joel Kolstad
 
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Watson A.Name - 'Watt Sun'

Jan 1, 1970
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Yes, but what you don't want to do is just drop the voltage through
something that'll just turn it into heat like a resistor. Instead, what is
often done is to send a square wave with an adjustable duty cycle to a light
bulb. The lower the duty cycle, the lower the RMS value of the voltage the
bulb sees and the less power the bulb will use. This is readily done using
a 555 timer IC and a MOSFET as the switch. I'd suggest running the 555 at
somewhere between 100Hz and some kilohertz, nominally -- lower values can
start to allow you to _see_ the switching action (this is based on the
thermal inertia of the filament -- how quickly it cools down), whereas
higher values will make the switching action slightly less efficient
(although until you get to megahertz, this is probably pretty negligible).

Note that your 16W bulb is going to become a lot less efficient at 5W,
because most of the filament's thermal energy will be emitted as infrared
radiation that isn't going to help you, as a human, one iota. (You might
make the comparison between a single 2 'C' bike light, which often use 2.4W
bulbs, and you setup running at 2.4W -- you'll find that your light will be
much redder and not as good. There isn't much of a way around this problem

Which brings to mind the much simpler method. Just use multiple 2.4W
bulbs. You can switch them on as needed. And you have the safety of
never losing your only light source, since if one burns out, you still
have the other(s).

You could go with three 5W lamps, or some other combination. The nice
thing is that the smaller prefocused flashlight lamps are avaiable at
hardware stores and Rat Shack, too.

Another plus that I noticed when I rode my bike is that a single light
source causes dark shadows behind objects. With multiple light
sources spaced a foot or two apart, this isn't so much of a problem.
This is probably the reason why car headlights are not in the middle,
but at the left and right corners of the car. And again here you have
the issue of reliability, so if you lose one headlight you still have
the other.
---Joel Kolstad


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Jacobe Hazzard

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
Hi guys,

I'm building a bicycle light and I've decided to go with the 7.2V
battery pack (for RC) as you suggested. I'm using is 16W xenon bulb.
How can I change the intensity? I assume I have to reduce the
voltage? How could I get my pack to switch voltage to give me say 5W
,10W and 16W at the flip of a switch?

These questions might have been asked before... but I'm new at this
thing... so feel free to just point to the answer...

Many thanks

Make sure your bulb can handle the vibration and stress of being mounted on
a bicycle. Bulbs that can are significantly more expensive.

Adam
 
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John

Jan 1, 1970
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Another plus that I noticed when I rode my bike is that a single light
source causes dark shadows behind objects. With multiple light
sources spaced a foot or two apart, this isn't so much of a problem.
This is probably the reason why car headlights are not in the middle,
but at the left and right corners of the car. And again here you have
the issue of reliability, so if you lose one headlight you still have
the other.


Do you mount you lights on your handlebars or on your helmet? Have you tried
combining the two?

Thanks
 
J

John

Jan 1, 1970
0
Yes, but what you don't want to do is just drop the voltage through
something that'll just turn it into heat like a resistor. Instead, what is
often done is to send a square wave with an adjustable duty cycle to a light
bulb. The lower the duty cycle, the lower the RMS value of the voltage the
bulb sees and the less power the bulb will use. This is readily done using
a 555 timer IC and a MOSFET as the switch. I'd suggest running the 555 at
somewhere between 100Hz and some kilohertz, nominally -- lower values can
start to allow you to _see_ the switching action (this is based on the
thermal inertia of the filament -- how quickly it cools down), whereas
higher values will make the switching action slightly less efficient
(although until you get to megahertz, this is probably pretty negligible).

Can you buy this ready made or do you have to make ti yourself? Also,
wouldn't bypassing the wave generator be better when you want maximum power?
What I've described here is on open loop system in that, if the battery
voltage drops a little, the bulb's power consumption will change a little as
well. NiCads have a pretty flat discharge curve so this won't be a problem,
but if you actually want _calibrated_ wattages regardless of battery input
voltage, you'll need a rather fancier design with (most easily) something
like a switching regulator controller IC.

I'm going with NiMh by the way.

Thanks again!
 
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Ian Stirling

Jan 1, 1970
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In sci.electronics.design John said:
Can you buy this ready made or do you have to make ti yourself? Also,
wouldn't bypassing the wave generator be better when you want maximum power?

No, the bulb will fail rapidly.
If you can, to keep a reasonable bulb life, and brightness, you really want
to keep the RMS voltage to within 5% or so.

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John

Jan 1, 1970
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No, the bulb will fail rapidly.
If you can, to keep a reasonable bulb life, and brightness, you really want
to keep the RMS voltage to within 5% or so.

You mean 5% less than rated voltage? Why would the bulb die quicker with the
rated DC? So when you underun your lights, they last longer?

Thanks a million
John
 
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John

Jan 1, 1970
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This is readily done using
I know this is a really basic questions, but where could I find the
schematics for this? I've found many for wave generators but I'm not sure
how to include the MOSFET. Why is the IC more efficent than just a physical
switch?

Thanks again!
 
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Dimirtij Klingbeil

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
I know this is a really basic questions, but where could I find the
schematics for this? I've found many for wave generators but I'm not sure
how to include the MOSFET. Why is the IC more efficent than just a
physical switch?

Thanks again!

It is not really necessary to include the MOSFET if it is the only thing you
have difficulties with. In this case a (big) BJT transistor like the 2N3055
(NPN) will also do. Be prepared however that it gets hot. In this case, use
a 6 Volts lightbulb because 1) There are always losses in the transistor,
somewhere around half a volt. 2) It will be hard to get an almost 100% duty
cycle, so that some 0.7 Volts will get eaten up by the converter. Make sure
that the signal is really square-wave, not sine neither sawtooth, this will
increase the efficiency.

To the second question: An IC is never as efficient as a physical switch,
but the switch itself is not the cause of the losses. It is the resistors
(or transistors) that are used to drop voltage that heat up and make the
least efficient part of the circuitry apart from the light bulb. Using a
switching circuit you can avoid the high voltage drop thus conserving
battery power when it is run at a lowered wattage.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Joel said:
John said:
I'm building a bicycle light and I've decided to go with the 7.2V
battery pack (for RC) as you suggested. I'm using is 16W xenon bulb. How
can I change the intensity? I assume I have to reduce the voltage?


Yes, but what you don't want to do is just drop the voltage through
something that'll just turn it into heat like a resistor. Instead, what is
often done is to send a square wave with an adjustable duty cycle to a light
bulb. [...snip...]

---Joel Kolstad

You can't pulse the H.I.D. xenon's like this. His only solution is to
use multiple bulbs at lesser wattages and he may need multiple ballasts too.
 
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John

Jan 1, 1970
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I'll be using lights on the mountain so I've decided to use 2 lights for
safety reaons. One will be on the helmet and I'll play with the second one
to see where it works best. I'll be using H.I.D. Xenon bulbs. I'll use the
555 wave generator to pulse the lights and have variable power. I'll include
a bypass switch so I can use the lights on max power without having to feed
the 555 circuit. I want the switches to be on the handlebars so I can change
lighting as I ride.

I want both lights to be on seperate battery packs to improve reliability
and so I can take just 1 light on beer runs and for commuting. I'll be using
rechargeable NiMh C or D cells for power. This way I can use regular
batteries if I have no way to recharge the spent batteries.

I can build this 'ideal' (at least for me) system for about the same price
as a decent system. So I think I'll go for it....

Any thoughts appreciated!

Thanks
John
 
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Tim Shoppa

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
You mean 5% less than rated voltage? Why would the bulb die quicker with the
rated DC? So when you underun your lights, they last longer?

No, he's saying that you want to be close to the rated voltage of the bulb,
and the PWM regulator he tells you how to build should be designed to do so.
5% accuracy is a good number to aim for with incadescent bulbs, you don't
have to better than that.

Running the bulb below rated voltage will lengthen life but will dramatically
hurt efficiency. And the assumption is that if you're using batteries,
efficiency is a prime goal.

Running the bulb above the design voltage will greatly shorten the life.

Tim.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
I'll be using lights on the mountain so I've decided to use 2 lights for
safety reaons. One will be on the helmet and I'll play with the second one
to see where it works best. I'll be using H.I.D. Xenon bulbs. I'll use the
555 wave generator to pulse the lights and have variable power. I'll include
a bypass switch so I can use the lights on max power without having to feed
the 555 circuit. I want the switches to be on the handlebars so I can change
lighting as I ride.

I want both lights to be on seperate battery packs to improve reliability
and so I can take just 1 light on beer runs and for commuting. I'll be using
rechargeable NiMh C or D cells for power. This way I can use regular
batteries if I have no way to recharge the spent batteries.

I can build this 'ideal' (at least for me) system for about the same price
as a decent system. So I think I'll go for it....

Any thoughts appreciated!

Thanks
John

If your lamps come with a ballast regulator then you cannot pulse
battery power into it. These bulbs are very touchy- they MUST be run at
rated power- too much by ~10% and they burn up/explode and too little
causes electrode damage. The ballast is there to put power consumption
right on the money.
 
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