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Jan Panteltje

Jan 1, 1970
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Lemme get this straight, that OS needs 'better hardware', and that
better hardware uses more power.
So just to power Vista we need to build 11 extra nukulear plants?
hehe
Vista is not 'green'.
V I S T A I S N O T G R E E N

Any comments?
 
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Fred Bartoli

Jan 1, 1970
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Jan Panteltje a écrit :
Lemme get this straight, that OS needs 'better hardware', and that
better hardware uses more power.
So just to power Vista we need to build 11 extra nukulear plants?
hehe
Vista is not 'green'.
V I S T A I S N O T G R E E N

Any comments?

Obviously can't be green since those guys invented BSOD.
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Lemme get this straight, that OS needs 'better hardware', and that
better hardware uses more power.
So just to power Vista we need to build 11 extra nukulear plants?
hehe
Vista is not 'green'.
V I S T A I S N O T G R E E N

Any comments?

There are perhaps a dozen or so gigawatt-scale power plants scattered
around the world, because the Windows hibernate thing has never worked
right.

I've seen the estimate that a few per cent of the generating capacity
of the USA is used to run pc's that are not shut down when not in use.
They're not shut down because suspend doesn't work, and boot times are
so long. The Microsoft-mandated soft power switch thing consumes
vampire power even when a pc is "off."

Microsoft is rapacious in more ways than three.

John
 
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Joel Kolstad

Jan 1, 1970
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John Larkin said:
They're not shut down because suspend doesn't work, and boot times are
so long.

....and because, for "enterprise" scenarios where there are thousands of
machines that are intended to be backed up/updated/whatever overnight, the IT
guys couldn't get "wake on LAN" to work.
The Microsoft-mandated soft power switch thing consumes
vampire power even when a pc is "off."

Yeah, but at least they try to limit it to something like 5W. My parents had
one of those old color TVs with the "instant on" feature that worked by
keeping the tube filament running all the time... I'm sure that was far worse.

Speaking of filaments... California might not let you use them for lighting in
the not-so-distant future:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/energy_california_lightbulbs_dc . I'm all for
compact fluorescents, but I think it's too bad they oversell them a little in
that article (a 20W CF is more like a 60W incandescent, not 75W) and don't
mention the drawbacks (many take a significant time to achieve full brightness
in cold weather, etc.). And of course it's just evil to try to outright ban
incandescents rather than, say, using the carrot approach of subsidizing the
price of CFs, if they're so convinced they're that much better.

---Joel
 
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Jan Panteltje

Jan 1, 1970
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Speaking of filaments... California might not let you use them for lighting in
the not-so-distant future:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/energy_california_lightbulbs_dc . I'm all for
compact fluorescents, but I think it's too bad they oversell them a little in
that article (a 20W CF is more like a 60W incandescent, not 75W) and don't
mention the drawbacks (many take a significant time to achieve full brightness
in cold weather, etc.). And of course it's just evil to try to outright ban
incandescents rather than, say, using the carrot approach of subsidizing the
price of CFs, if they're so convinced they're that much better.

I added some CF to my work room, and did not like the spectrum (too red).
Put back 2 of those new 'cool white' long fluorescent tubes above my desk.
Much better light, especially when soldering SMD :)
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Jan said:
I added some CF to my work room, and did not like the spectrum (too red).
Put back 2 of those new 'cool white' long fluorescent tubes above my desk.
Much better light, especially when soldering SMD :)

Are these the ones with the 5200C colour temp ?

I've been thinking of getting some.

Graham
 
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Jan Panteltje

Jan 1, 1970
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Are these the ones with the 5200C colour temp ?

I've been thinking of getting some.

Graham

I dunno, it is Osram L18/640, and I can find only eastern Europen docs on it
on the net.
No mention of color temp on the tubes themselves, but I have read on some
Siemens site these are new colors.
But I think it is somewhere neear 4100K, just a different phosphor.
 
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Zak

Jan 1, 1970
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I dunno, it is Osram L18/640, and I can find only eastern Europen docs on it
on the net.
No mention of color temp on the tubes themselves, but I have read on some
Siemens site these are new colors.
But I think it is somewhere neear 4100K, just a different phosphor.

640 means:

6 is the CRI aka the color rendering quality. 6 is not good. 8 is
standard. 9 is better but will be lower efficiency.

40 is the CCT or color temperature (4000 K). A CFL is 2700, halogen is 3000.

A normal CFL will be an 827.


Thomas
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Zak said:
640 means:

6 is the CRI aka the color rendering quality. 6 is not good. 8 is
standard. 9 is better but will be lower efficiency.

40 is the CCT or color temperature (4000 K). A CFL is 2700, halogen is 3000.

A normal CFL will be an 827.

Do you know anything about these 5500K so-called 'daylight balanced' phosphors ?
http://search.ebay.co.uk/5500k_W0QQ...0QQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ3QQsbrftogZ1QQsofocusZbs

or 6400K
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-x-SAD-Spira...8QQihZ014QQcategoryZ20706QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZnulightuk

Graham
 
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MassiveProng

Jan 1, 1970
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Lemme get this straight, that OS needs 'better hardware', and that
better hardware uses more power.

No. WHEN said hardware is being taxed, perhaps, but MOST MODERN PCs
clock down under low use conditions. My X2 CPUs don't even surpass
human body temp. My 4 yr old Dually set-up, both CPUs ran at 142 F.
Guess which system burned more off the PS?
So just to power Vista we need to build 11 extra nukulear plants?

You're dumber than Bush could ever be. You actually did it on
purpose, and even messed that up. At least he's so dumb that he
forgets to say it right, even after being told so many times.

It might have been, several years ago. Currently nuked, however.
Vista is not 'green'.

You are not an authority.

My machine boots to password prompt in 3 seconds flat.
V I S T A I S N O T G R E E N

You are a MAC shill or some other such dumbfucktard type.
Any comments?

Stay out of Usenet groups you have no business in (oh that's right,
you are electronical). Try posting your crap to a relevant newsgroup.
 
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MassiveProng

Jan 1, 1970
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There are perhaps a dozen or so gigawatt-scale power plants scattered
around the world, because the Windows hibernate thing has never worked
right.

I've seen the estimate that a few per cent of the generating capacity
of the USA is used to run pc's that are not shut down when not in use.
They're not shut down because suspend doesn't work, and boot times are
so long. The Microsoft-mandated soft power switch thing consumes
vampire power even when a pc is "off."

Microsoft is rapacious in more ways than three.

John

This is wrong. When XP or Vista either one are placed in standby
mode, the ONLY supply kept up is the +5V Stdby supply, and you can
READ the wattage your PS provides on THAT RAIL.

My XP machine at work boots to password prompt in 3 seconds flat,
and so does my vista machine here. When the friggin things are OFF,
they're OFF. EVEN in STANDBY mode.

SUSPEND mode is a BAD idea. If you have a document or app up that
you cannot do a save on your current work from, you have an ancient
app that needs a burial.

If all active work IS saved, there is no reason or need for a
suspend.

Standby works.
 
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MassiveProng

Jan 1, 1970
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...and because, for "enterprise" scenarios where there are thousands of
machines that are intended to be backed up/updated/whatever overnight, the IT
guys couldn't get "wake on LAN" to work.


Wake on LAN works. It simply requires a boot image to be ON the LAN
card.
 
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MassiveProng

Jan 1, 1970
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640 means:

6 is the CRI aka the color rendering quality. 6 is not good. 8 is
standard. 9 is better but will be lower efficiency.

40 is the CCT or color temperature (4000 K). A CFL is 2700, halogen is 3000.

A normal CFL will be an 827.

Use grow lamps, bypass meter. ;-] No need for furnace in winter!
 
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Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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Joel said:
...and because, for "enterprise" scenarios where there are thousands of
machines that are intended to be backed up/updated/whatever overnight, the IT
guys couldn't get "wake on LAN" to work.




Yeah, but at least they try to limit it to something like 5W. My parents had
one of those old color TVs with the "instant on" feature that worked by
keeping the tube filament running all the time... I'm sure that was far worse.

Speaking of filaments... California might not let you use them for lighting in
the not-so-distant future:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/energy_california_lightbulbs_dc . I'm all for
compact fluorescents, but I think it's too bad they oversell them a little in
that article (a 20W CF is more like a 60W incandescent, not 75W) and don't
mention the drawbacks (many take a significant time to achieve full brightness
in cold weather, etc.). And of course it's just evil to try to outright ban
incandescents rather than, say, using the carrot approach of subsidizing the
price of CFs, if they're so convinced they're that much better.

---Joel
Nasty question: do CFLs use *mercury* like other fluorescents?
 
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Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
Jan Panteltje wrote:




Are these the ones with the 5200C colour temp ?

I've been thinking of getting some.

Graham
Very good for growing MaryJane, and were virtually banned in
CAlifornia for a while...
 
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Jan Panteltje

Jan 1, 1970
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640 means:

6 is the CRI aka the color rendering quality. 6 is not good. 8 is
standard. 9 is better but will be lower efficiency.

40 is the CCT or color temperature (4000 K). A CFL is 2700, halogen is 3000.

A normal CFL will be an 827.


Thomas

Thank you!
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
Nasty question: do CFLs use *mercury* like other fluorescents?

They do. Not very much though, it's expensive !

Now, did you play with mercury as a kid like me ? Did it damage you ?

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
Very good for growing MaryJane, and were virtually banned in
CAlifornia for a while...

I've seen several high output CFLs advertised on ebay.co.uk for 'hydryponic' use.

Also some with a colour temp of 6400K for treating seasonal affective disorder.

Graham
 
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Joel Kolstad

Jan 1, 1970
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MassiveProng said:
Wake on LAN works.

There's a difference between something "working" and a bunch of IT guys being
able to get it to "work." :) Sometimes the IT guys are borderline competent
and don't know what they're doing, sometimes the WoL implementation is flaky,
whatever. But I once worked at a company with thousands of employees (and
computers), and the rule was that you kept your PC on overnight so that
automated backups could be performed. When I asked why they didn't use WoL,
the response was that they could never get it to work *reliably.*
 
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