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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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R.H.Campbell said:
Actually, in this industry, I see we have two "enemies"....drywallers

<gripe>
Have you ever noticed that drywallers will BURY wires that you leave stubbed out on a giant 6 inch spike wrapped with yellow electrical tape...and yet PULL out wires that you leave buried intentionally? Drive me nuts. Worse is that they will bend the spike over into the wall before burying it making it near impossible to pull the wire off the spike and out of the wall without making a mess.
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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Hehehe....yeah....you got that one right....:))

RHC


R.H.Campbell said:
Actually, in this industry, I see we have two "enemies"....drywallers

<gripe>
Have you ever noticed that drywallers will BURY wires that you leave stubbed
out on a giant 6 inch spike wrapped with yellow electrical tape...and yet
PULL out wires that you leave buried intentionally? Drive me nuts. Worse is
that they will bend the spike over into the wall before burying it making it
near impossible to pull the wire off the spike and out of the wall without
making a mess.
</gripe>
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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J. Sloud said:
My career started with a small company, and I've contemplated starting
my own company many times. However, I don't like the residential/
high volume segment of this industry, and since ADT allows me the
freedom to pursue a career in the part of the business that I do like,
I'm not likely to leave anytime soon. Most of the stories I hear from
you folks involve dealers or residential salemen. I'm not involved in
that part of the business and I never plan to be, due in part to the
type of incompetence many here describe. The average industry
experience of the account managers in my group and even the commercial
installers is 5 to 10 years. Nobody is perfect, but the quality of
our work is at least as good as any local/ regional integrator I've
ever seen.


I would have to agree with you there, J. There are some really top notch
guys in the Burnaby office...
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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yah, I know.


Alarminex said:
Errrr Crash ............ that was about 1887 .......... or so.
Jim

(Email accepted only upon request.)

Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank Olson said:
I would have to agree with you there, J. There are some really top notch
guys in the Burnaby office...

If I didn't travel the country so much....I would agree with you too.
Unfortunately my eyes still function, and the process from them leaves me to
believe what kinds of things I see are genuine. It's not that it isn't the
same everywhere, just that the bigger the company, the larger the memory.
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Alarminex said:
In years past, there was no one that could touch ADT in the commercial field.
This is evidenced by the absence of Wells Fargo, Holmes, and most of their
other past competitors. I think they just got a little greedy when they saw the
success of Brinks in the residential market and due to lack of foresight and a
"feel" for the residential market, got themselves into something that they're
still trying to figure out how to cope with. Large commercial has "nothing" in
common with residential and boy are they learning the hard way.
Jim

You can blame all those highly educated College boys for that thought
pattern. Playing numbers. God I'd hate to be looking at those attrition
numbers.
 
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J. Sloud

Jan 1, 1970
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You can blame all those highly educated College boys for that thought
pattern. Playing numbers. God I'd hate to be looking at those attrition
numbers.

It's interesting how they choose to deal with the attrition. Rather
than fix what's broken, they invented a "resale department" whose sole
function is to seak out people who've cancelled service and bait them
into signing back up and to resell service to new homeowners who've
moved into a house with an existing system.

ADT has pledged to Tyco that they will double the size of the business
from 4B in annual revenue to 8B by 2009. That's a lofty goal, and I'd
imagine ADT will be getting much more aggressive in the near future.
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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J. Sloud said:
It's interesting how they choose to deal with the attrition. Rather
than fix what's broken, they invented a "resale department" whose sole
function is to seak out people who've cancelled service and bait them
into signing back up and to resell service to new homeowners who've
moved into a house with an existing system.

ADT has pledged to Tyco that they will double the size of the business
from 4B in annual revenue to 8B by 2009. That's a lofty goal, and I'd
imagine ADT will be getting much more aggressive in the near future.

Hopefully, in the near future, ADT will spin off TYCO, and remember how they
got where they are today, and that growth will come easier. Right now there
seems to be too many Chiefs, and not enough Indians.
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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"> Hopefully, in the near future, ADT will spin off TYCO, and remember how they
got where they are today, and that growth will come easier. Right now there
seems to be too many Chiefs, and not enough Indians.


I thought TYCO owned ADT
 
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J. Sloud

Jan 1, 1970
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Hopefully, in the near future, ADT will spin off TYCO, and remember how they
got where they are today, and that growth will come easier. Right now there
seems to be too many Chiefs, and not enough Indians.

The worst part of it is that, in my world, our biggest competition
comes from Simplex. SimplexGrinnel is trying to get involved in
federal business and larger CCTV/ Access and ADT is doing what it can
to infiltrate commercial fire using the private labeled EST2 and EST3
panels introduced a couple of years ago. We call them plumbers and
they call us resi.
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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"> Hopefully, in the near future, ADT will spin off TYCO, and remember how
they
got where they are today, and that growth will come easier. Right now there
seems to be too many Chiefs, and not enough Indians.


I thought TYCO owned ADT

you know what I mean (separated)
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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J. Sloud said:
The worst part of it is that, in my world, our biggest competition
comes from Simplex. SimplexGrinnel is trying to get involved in
federal business and larger CCTV/ Access and ADT is doing what it can
to infiltrate commercial fire using the private labeled EST2 and EST3
panels introduced a couple of years ago. We call them plumbers and
they call us resi.

A few years ago, down in Virginia, I ran into a Muzak salesman peddling CCTV
equipment.
Being from Mass., I'm familiar with grip Simplex used to have. Apparently
everyone's wise to the scam they had for years in the school systems. I see
less and less of Simplex. We have a big EST dealer here who I used to work
for, for a while, and they make a pretty good presence around the Balt/DC
area.
I can imagine the internals between the companies at Tyco. Must be like a
Navy/Marine Corp. bond.
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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Simplex was always a bunch o'snobs anyway right?...almost as bad a Otis Elevator installers.
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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... ADT is doing what it can to infiltrate
commercial fire using the private labeled
EST2 and EST3 panels introduced a
couple of years ago...

Wait till you get the next software release for the EST2 and 3. :^)

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L. Bass said:
Wait till you get the next software release for the EST2 and 3. :^)

I hope it looks better than this one, yech
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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I hope it looks better than this one, yech

We eschewed cute graphics in favor of an austere, functional GUI. I wanted
it to be extremely easy for non-PC literate installers to understand. I
also wanted the screen layout to emulate Windows Explorer. The "tree" on
the left allows instant access to every screen. The app allows unlimited
panels within a group and multiple groups can be assigned to a client.

The scalable, modular programming can be adapted to every panel they make,
past, present or future, without changing a single line of code. The idea
was to write the last downloader EST will ever need. All a future panel
needs is a new schema. The schema can be written by an engineer or XML
coder in a day or two. Previously, each new line required an entirely new
app or at the very least a major rewrite of the previous version.

The key to this technique is to make the app itself extremely generic. All
of the "rules" and even the EEPROM maps are written into the XML schema.
Instead of spending $25,000 on a new version or $50,000 on a whole new
application program for every panel series, they spend a couple of thousand
dollars on a new schema. The same app can actually be used to download
Napco, Ademco, ITI or any other panel series. All I need is the EEPROM map
and the data rules and in a couple of weeks I have an entirely new
downloader.

Try that with Compass. :^)

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
ademco panels are easy to hack, if yah really wanted to ... trust me,
they been hacking sat eproms down here for years, also in CA ...
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L. Bass said:
We eschewed cute graphics in favor of an austere, functional GUI. I wanted
it to be extremely easy for non-PC literate installers to understand.

Nothing to do with cute graphics, the interface itself is pitiful
 
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