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why are cheap LCD televisions so dismal?

I have seen two LCD tellies for sale at $299, while
most other brands are $400 to $500 for their small
models. The $299 specimens had a terrible picture.
For one of the cheapies, I saw the specications,
which included contrast ratio of 700, but it
looked more like a 7:1 ratio.
Why are the cheapies so bad? Is the manufacturer
using reject components or what?
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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I have seen two LCD tellies for sale at $299, while
most other brands are $400 to $500 for their small
models. The $299 specimens had a terrible picture.


** Makes and models - please.

For one of the cheapies, I saw the specications,
which included contrast ratio of 700, but it
looked more like a 7:1 ratio.
Why are the cheapies so bad? Is the manufacturer
using reject components or what?


** Had an " AWA" brand LCD monitor/ TV here in my workshop a week or two
ago.

The pic and sound were really excellent.

Customer bought from Big W for $ 299.





....... Phil
 
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Alan Rutlidge

Jan 1, 1970
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Phil Allison said:
** Makes and models - please.




** Had an " AWA" brand LCD monitor/ TV here in my workshop a week or two
ago.

Which "workshop" is that Phil?
The one at 3 / 19 Prospect Rd, Summer Hill?
Which just happens to be your bed-sit flat. LOL
The pic and sound were really excellent.

Which begs the question, why bring it to you?
Don't you fix toasters?
Besides, if the picture and sound were really excellent was it a cosmetic
repair?
 
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John Tserkezis

Jan 1, 1970
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Alan said:
Which "workshop" is that Phil?
The one at 3 / 19 Prospect Rd, Summer Hill?
Which just happens to be your bed-sit flat. LOL

Oh crap. Thank you very much for that, dammit.

I knew Phil was _somewhere_ in Australia, but was content in believing he
was somewhere in the far reaches of nowhere, where not even the stupidest wild
animals dare venture.

That address places us as almost neighbours.

Crap. Now I have to move. Perth sounds nice.
 
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David L. Jones

Jan 1, 1970
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Oh crap. Thank you very much for that, dammit.

I knew Phil was _somewhere_ in Australia, but was content in believing he
was somewhere in the far reaches of nowhere, where not even the stupidest wild
animals dare venture.

That address places us as almost neighbours.

Crap. Now I have to move. Perth sounds nice.

Unit's in #19 go up for sale all the time (I wonder why?), that could
be your opportunity to confront your deepest fears and move into the
same block!

Dave.
 
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Alan Rutlidge

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell said:
Not according to the "Society for the prevention of cruelty to
toasters". :(

ROTFLMAO Good one Michael. Nuttin' like a good laugh to start the weekend
off with. :)
 
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RMD

Jan 1, 1970
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I have seen two LCD tellies for sale at $299, while
most other brands are $400 to $500 for their small
models. The $299 specimens had a terrible picture.
For one of the cheapies, I saw the specications,
which included contrast ratio of 700, but it
looked more like a 7:1 ratio.
Why are the cheapies so bad? Is the manufacturer
using reject components or what?

I don't know what you saw.

However, the shops often mal-adjust the cheaper TV's as compared to
the expensive TV's to assist in "talking you up" to a more expensive
TV.

I've never found any TV you couldn't set up to be of acceptable
quality.

Ross
 
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Franc Zabkar

Jan 1, 1970
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I have seen two LCD tellies for sale at $299, while
most other brands are $400 to $500 for their small
models. The $299 specimens had a terrible picture.
For one of the cheapies, I saw the specications,
which included contrast ratio of 700, but it
looked more like a 7:1 ratio.
Why are the cheapies so bad? Is the manufacturer
using reject components or what?

I don't know about the smaller sets, but I recently helped my father
choose a widescreen 81cm LCD TV. There were several off-brand sets,
none of which were visibly inferior, yet I opted for an LG primarily
due to fear of poor support from the cheapies. One set had poor colour
rendition (flesh tones looked too red), but the salesman was able to
adjust it fairly easily via the user menu.

- Franc Zabkar
 
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David L. Jones

Jan 1, 1970
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I don't know what you saw.

However, the shops often mal-adjust the cheaper TV's as compared to
the expensive TV's to assist in "talking you up" to a more expensive
TV.

I've never found any TV you couldn't set up to be of acceptable
quality.

Even the ones with the dead pixels?
Lots of the cheap no-name small LCD TV's are knowingly supplied with
and sold as having dead pixels.

Dave.
 
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lynx

Jan 1, 1970
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Rudolf said:
You will be surprised how bad service can be with big brands and how good it
can be with cheap ones. I am doing warranty repairs for a bunch of smaller
brands and I do not want to touch big ones! Way too much hassle and mess.
Of course, there are exclusions from the rules. (I am not going to mention
names).
BTW, many cheaper LCDs use LG panels, so you may as well get a cheaper one
and effectively get same TV as LG.

The panel is not the whole story. The design and quality of the
electronics and the circuitry that drives the panel is just as
important. And not to mention reliability. There's no way I'd buy an
el-cheapo panel. The few extra dollars for a brand name are well
justified, especially when the major retailers are offering up to two
years interest free terms.
Dead pixels. When panel is made, some dead pixels do occur sometime. Panel
has to be thrown away. Hence the price tag, especially on the larger panels.
Each bad panel adds to the cost of good ones.

Except that the larger manufacturers achieve economies of scale that
minimise any impact of that. Cheaper/smaller manufacturers can only
achieve lower costs by making a crappier product.
Some manufacturers pick up those bad panels and sell them in cheap TVs.
Nothing wrong with that, as long as you know what you are buying. For some
applications (security monitors for example), couple of dead pixels won't
matter.

In the end -- you get what you paid for, although, I believe, this is not so
true when talking about expensive big names.

Rudolf


--

rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/
'If things seem to be going well,
you obviously have no idea what's really going on'
 
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David L. Jones

Jan 1, 1970
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Panel usually comes with the support boards from panel manufacturer.
Usually all that is needed is video controller/tuner and power supply.

All three of which can be screwed up by the el-cheapo's.

You usually get what you pay for, it's a universal rule for every
electronic product on the market.

Dave.
 
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ant

Jan 1, 1970
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David said:
You usually get what you pay for, it's a universal rule for every
electronic product on the market.

Unless it's a Toshiba, in which case you pay for quality and get a lemon.
Lemons.
 
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Bob Parker

Jan 1, 1970
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Unless it's a Toshiba, in which case you pay for quality and get a lemon.
Lemons.

They were good once. I bought my Toshiba C-810 18" TV in August 1975
and it's still going OK.
I admit that I've had to re-solder almost every joint in the thing
and it's had a couple of electrolytic caps go leaky and a vertical
deflection transistor failed. Tube's still good though.


Bob
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Bob Parker"
They were good once. I bought my Toshiba C-810 18" TV in August 1975 and
it's still going OK.
I admit that I've had to re-solder almost every joint in the thing and
it's had a couple of electrolytic caps go leaky and a vertical deflection
transistor failed. Tube's still good though.


** How is your dad's old axe going - Bob ?





........ Phil
 
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Bob Parker

Jan 1, 1970
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** How is your dad's old axe going - Bob ?


....... Phil

Resoldering joints isn't quite the same as replacing lots of parts,
but I know what you mean.
I've been tempted to get some kind of LCD TV to replace it, but the
discussions here are making me wonder if that's such a good idea.

Bob
 
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Mr.T

Jan 1, 1970
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David L. Jones said:
You usually get what you pay for, it's a universal rule for every
electronic product on the market.

You may not get MORE than you pay for too often, but you sure as hell can
get LESS.
The more you pay the greater the chance of the latter unfortunately.

MrT.
 
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