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amdx

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi Guys,
I've been a skeptic about the E-Cat for a while, checking back on my
computer it looks like I've been following it for about four months.
I finally decided I'm a believer that the E-Cat is a real technology
and we will see them sold in the near future.
I'm ready to go see my local Home Depot manager and get my name on the
E-Cat purchase list, knowing he won't have a clue what I'm talking about.
I stuck my neck out and posted this World Changing invention on a
group I frequent. You can guess the response I got :)
One simple question paraphrased I got was " Why do you believe it's
real when there have been no open tests and no open customers?"
I have been searching through what memory of all details I have
picked up over the last four months, in an effort to figure out why I
believe.
I don't have any hard evidence, what I have are details I've seen on
the internet, just like everyone else.
What I'm left with is just so many details of a project that I hope
and *pray is real and an inventor that has stuck his neck out so far
that he will certainly get his head chopped of if his device doesn't
work. I have a difficult time thinking someone would try to run a scam
in such a big grandiose manner, and not ask for my money.
I don't know the physics of how gamma rays are produced nor how they
would produce heat if they were produced. I also don't know why the
output can't be modulated, (but that's a side note).
So I guess I'm looking for others to help me with details to help
with an argument why I believe.
Rather than because I want it to be true.
I want to be able to post a few details to the forum I stuck my neck out
on.:)
Thanks, Mikek
 
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vaughn

Jan 1, 1970
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Bingo! Until there is openness, I remain a skeptic. A hopeful skeptic, but
still a skeptic.

I believe in science and in hardware that exists in the real (open) world. I'm
not impressed by magic, and certainly not by hype.

Vaughn
 
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Bob F

Jan 1, 1970
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Morris said:
Sure, me too! :)

The surprising thing (to me) is that with the inherent simplicity of
this thing - and with an absolute plethora of possible applications -
people aren't falling all over themselves to independently reproduce
the results Rossi has reported. That people aren't doing so just
boggles my mind.

I know that I am not going to be able to satisfactorally reproduce what well
financed people like Rossi and others are doing well with the help of university
staff and others. I admire your enthusiam, but don't really expect to see you
succeed. Nevertheless, I will be thrilled if you pull it off.

The claims that Rossi will be selling these things for $500 at Home Depot are
just fantastic. If this thing really works as we've been led to believe, people
would be willing to pay way more than that, so why would he sell it that cheap?
Of course, my attitude is coming from an American who sees an economy where
profit is the only motivation for doing anything these days. It would be nice to
see otherwise. If real, this thing will change the world. Enery companies will
be hit hard. Car companies will make a killing. The oil industry will almost
die. There will be insistance by some of those "free-market" entities to
regulate this out of existance if it really exists.
 
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amdx

Jan 1, 1970
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The surprising thing (to me) is that with the inherent simplicity of
this thing - and with an absolute plethora of possible applications -
people aren't falling all over themselves to independently reproduce the
results Rossi has reported. That people aren't doing so just boggles my
mind.

It does seem simple, except for a few details,
hmm...
a break from your sponsor. I have a small a business and
have a had that same line given to me , "it seems so simple, just hand
over the product and take the money."
It only takes 100+ hours a week from my wife and I.

Back to the details, creating the high surface area nickel of I suspect
the proper isotope. Finding again, I suspect, a way to separate the H2
molecule to H1 and H1. Getting the heat to the proper area to initiate
the reaction (?) and make the heater work the next time it is needed,
ie. not damaged by the heat of the reaction. Also if indeed the RF
stimulation is needed to sustain the reaction, getting it to the proper
area.
Yes why aren't others hot on this.
Although there is some data found of others working on LENRs on
somewhat the same line as Rossi. (Time for a new google alert, LENR)
Why aren't the oil companies suppressing this, like 200 mile per gallon
carburetor. Ok the last line is just for laughs :) (last 1/2 line):-{
Mikek
 
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Bob F

Jan 1, 1970
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Morris said:
I'm not a conspiracist, but I'll guess that they feel about as
threatened by LENR development as Kodak did by digital cameras back in
the 70's and 80's. :)

I heard on NPR this morning that Kodak invented the digital camera.
 
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amdx

Jan 1, 1970
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Rossi said he used most common isotope of filamentary nickel - this is
extremely fine powder in a form where each grain has a high surface
area. You can buy it on eBay ~$60/pound. Google images has microscope
pictures.


In the original experimentation and in the more recent demonstrations
plain old H2 gas was fed from the tank through a regulator and hose to a
reaction chamber containing only nickel.


You can see photos of his heating setup in most of the reports. It's
pretty straight-forward.


The RF stimulation is a recent addition to the story. Since it wasn't
needed to produce any of the reported early results, I'm assuming that
it isn't necessary to the reaction.


Yes why? It's hard to imagine that /everyone/ is trying to ake a hard
problem out of an easy one...


I'm not a conspiracist, but I'll guess that they feel about as
threatened by LENR development as Kodak did by digital cameras back in
the 70's and 80's. :)
Kodak, wow, even into the 90's and 2000's they had a chance to take a
new business tack but, I didn't hear about the effort.
Mikek
 
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Mho

Jan 1, 1970
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You may be able to afford one from your hit count spam money, soon, too!
 
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amdx

Jan 1, 1970
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You may be able to afford one from your hit count spam money, soon, too!
Every little bit is added to the investment portfolio, but I'm
way past needing more to afford one.
I'm sorry about your situation.
Mikek
 
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sno

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi Guys,
I've been a skeptic about the E-Cat for a while, checking back on my
computer it looks like I've been following it for about four months.
I finally decided I'm a believer that the E-Cat is a real technology and
we will see them sold in the near future.
I'm ready to go see my local Home Depot manager and get my name on the
E-Cat purchase list, knowing he won't have a clue what I'm talking about.
I stuck my neck out and posted this World Changing invention on a group
I frequent. You can guess the response I got :)
One simple question paraphrased I got was " Why do you believe it's real
when there have been no open tests and no open customers?"
I have been searching through what memory of all details I have
picked up over the last four months, in an effort to figure out why I
believe.
I don't have any hard evidence, what I have are details I've seen on the
internet, just like everyone else.
What I'm left with is just so many details of a project that I hope and
*pray is real and an inventor that has stuck his neck out so far that he
will certainly get his head chopped of if his device doesn't work. I
have a difficult time thinking someone would try to run a scam
in such a big grandiose manner, and not ask for my money.
I don't know the physics of how gamma rays are produced nor how they
would produce heat if they were produced. I also don't know why the
output can't be modulated, (but that's a side note).
So I guess I'm looking for others to help me with details to help
with an argument why I believe.
Rather than because I want it to be true.
I want to be able to post a few details to the forum I stuck my neck out
on.:)
Thanks, Mikek
One of the main reasons I think this may not be a con is that I cannot
see any way that he has made any money by selling to investors or anyone
else....it appears he has done everything with his own money...and is
accepting no money from anyone else....

His whole plan seems to be to get a device into production....and make
all his money from selling them at the least expensive cost he
can....making all his money from volume sold...

A number of people feel it is a scam because he has not released details
of how it is built.....this makes sense to me since he is not a
scientist....is an engineer/inventor.....and wants to make the maximum
amount of money possible before he has competition....

An impossible claim requires the maximum proof possible....is there any
higher proof that a device works then selling thousands of the device
and people being satisfied that it works...???

I originally thought that there was probably 70/80 percent chance it was
not a scam.....now am up over 90 percent sure he has a working device....

thank you for listening to my thoughts.....have fun.....sno


--
Correct Scientific Terminology:
Hypothesis - a guess as to why or how something occurs
Theory - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
to be generally assumed to be true.
Law - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
in enough different ways that it is assumed to be truer then a theory.
Note: nothing is proven in science, things are assumed to be true.
 
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amdx

Jan 1, 1970
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One of the main reasons I think this may not be a con is that I cannot
see any way that he has made any money by selling to investors or anyone
else....it appears he has done everything with his own money...and is
accepting no money from anyone else....

His whole plan seems to be to get a device into production....and make
all his money from selling them at the least expensive cost he
can....making all his money from volume sold...

A number of people feel it is a scam because he has not released details
of how it is built.....this makes sense to me since he is not a
scientist....is an engineer/inventor.....and wants to make the maximum
amount of money possible before he has competition....

An impossible claim requires the maximum proof possible....is there any
higher proof that a device works then selling thousands of the device
and people being satisfied that it works...???

I originally thought that there was probably 70/80 percent chance it was
not a scam.....now am up over 90 percent sure he has a working device....

thank you for listening to my thoughts.....have fun.....sno
Hi sno,
I'm with you (hopein and a prayin). There is just so much information
out, yet nothing that proves it works. I fully understand Rossi's stance
if he knows it works, he doesn't need to prove it, just get it on the
market. He will be known as the most famous inventor of all time. If it
doesn't work he will be the most disgraced. I find it hard to believe
Rossi could look at anyone and keep pushing this idea if it didn't work.

A couple of disappointments;
The 1 MW unit has not been delivered, as of 1-12-12.

"Interestingly enough at his blog, Rossi admitted that the 1MW ecat he
said he sold to an unnamed buyer in October has not been shipped yet. It
is apparently still at his facility in Bologna where he is still
conducting tests on it with devices he ordered from National Instruments
in the United States."

From http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/more-revelations-from-andrea-rossi

I hear nothing about a production plant in Florida.
How could that be kept secret.
I'm with you (hopein and a prayin).
Mikek
 
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j

Jan 1, 1970
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Bingo! Until there is openness, I remain a skeptic. A hopeful skeptic, but
still a skeptic.

I believe in science and in hardware that exists in the real (open) world. I'm
not impressed by magic, and certainly not by hype.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/08/the-e-cat-real-or-surreal/

Let me say this though, I knew nothing about the E-Cat until today. I
really don't know, but skepticism is prudent.

At any rate, there is nothing that I can do that would impact this one
way or another. I'll leave this to others that have more time than I.

Jeff
 
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