window and door contact question

[Joe Blowe]

I have run into a huge problem as a do it yourselfer. I can purchase
anything I want on the internet and find out how to install it but today I
was wiring my new house and was short a few door and window contacts and ran
out of wire. I need these Monday at the latest. here is my question:

Since ADI and other suppliers won't sell retail who can I purchase these
from? Lowe's and Home Depot and Radio Shack don't even carry them. Any Ideas
where I can buy any without a license?

 

[Jakes452]

My God ..might as well post your credit card number, you
pin and
whetever else you want protected if you use someone from this group! If your
familys saftey is a concern...DO NOT USE THIS GROUP FOR
ADVISE OR GIVE OUT ANY INFORMATION. If you deal with someone from this
newsgroup you better keep one eye
open while your sleep at night! this is the worse place to look for info
for your home security. This group is a hive of activity to get your
confidence then rip your off. Get "help" from here and next think your
house is
cleaned out and inexplicably your alarm didnt work......or worse.....
Be very very careful using this group.
Be sure to closely investigate (primarily if you
buy online) any of the online alarm seller, especially if they claim a ASA
certification, a totally false and misleading certification (see that
later). You wouldn't want to buy from someone whose sideline is
understanding your alarm system for the purpose of exploiting it later
byknowing your codes or maintenance access numbers. Be wary of those who do
not have a brick and mortar store.

When I was shopping and using this newsgroup some online dealers advertised
a ASA certification with a picture of a ASA emblem shown on their website.
It gives a good first impression but when you look into it you find out that
it was nothing more then some....guy.... creating a website to supposedly
post complaints, with no entries of complaints or follow-through. It was
analogous to someone flashing a police badge that turns out to be fake. The
ASA moniker is a badge without any accreditation and surely this is
misleading and a scam.

Some of the free advice you get is not because of someone's unselfish need
to make the world a better place to live. Most are giving you advice on the
hope of getting a sale or...."other" information. Listen but don't act on
the advice until you can confirm or gain some trust in the source by
researching them.

Sometimes you can learn a lot about sellers by plugging in email address or
screenname into a Google search of past news postings. You will be
surprised, .....no..MAKE THAT SHOCKED....AND I MEAN SHOCKED!!!!..... at what
you find out about those offering to outfit your alarm. How can our legal
system let these type of people sell home security!!!!!

This is a very unregulated online business, and especially risky for
something as important as YOUR HOME security.

good luck....and go talk to someone reputible.

 

[Joe Blowe]

Does this fucking idiot ever go away?
He must automate his stupid reply to anything ever posted. Does anyone have
a real answer?

Jakes452 go **** yourself and get a life!

 

[Frank Olson]

I have run into a huge problem as a do it yourselfer. I can purchase
anything I want on the internet and find out how to install it but today I
was wiring my new house and was short a few door and window contacts and ran
out of wire. I need these Monday at the latest. here is my question:

Since ADI and other suppliers won't sell retail who can I purchase these
from? Lowe's and Home Depot and Radio Shack don't even carry them. Any Ideas
where I can buy any without a license?

Open your "Yellow Pages" and call a few companies. Explain you just want to
buy the contacts. I'm sure you'll receive a positive response and they
won't try to "fleece" you...

 

[Joe Blowe]

I gues no one knows of a place in St. Louis or Chicago area huh?

 

[Jakes452]

its this the type of person you want home security information from!

You better go elsewhere, cuz he just proved , this place is a scammers cave,
waiting to rip your off....or worse

 

[Joe Blowe]

also I am a qualified network technician and used to work in construction I
have seen some of the flipping idiots and the quality of work the
professional companies provide. no way man. I ask for suggestions because it
helps me avoid what you say idiots commonly do. I am capable of figuring
this out, I already have.

Alarm work is a no brainer if you can read a manual. I run networks which
are way more complex and prone to failure with no trouble.

I would get a job for an alarm company but no one pays $50,000 or more for
installer so I can not take the pay cut.

 

[Joe Blowe]

Robert I do appreciate the offer for help but I can not ignore the Better
Business Bureau reports, I do not deal with people who have bad raps like
that. Out of all the flames I see about you I see no responses do explain
what happened and why you still post here. I will have to use another
solution as I can not take chances like that. I would gladly pay COD at the
counter if they will accept a payment to be applied to your account, but I
can not give out my CC #.

Sorry, I do appreciate your input but do not take silly chances...

 

[Frank Olson]

I already answered it once. I had a bad customer who unfairly demanded
reimbursement. Even after I gave him his money back he complained. When
the BBB demanded more from me AFTER a refund which was not even due I
declined. I suspect if I joined they'd have treated me better.

What a bunch of horse twaddle. First off, it wasn't "a bad customer". It
been several complaints from different customers (and they all can't be
classified as "bad", Bass). Secondly... The first time you posted a
bullschidt explanation for the bad report, you indicated the BBB *told* you
to deal with this customer even though you'd already had a "bad experience"
with him and decided not to. You're a liar and a fraud...

In any case, if I helped you it would have been a very small profit for me.
My average online sale is several hundred dollars and I could care less
about selling a couple of magnetic switches or a box of wire. If you prefer
to believe the idiots who post nothing but flames against me (some of whom
have also flamed you for asking) that's your privilege.

Pretty "desperate" to have this customer believe you there Bassy... for all
that it's only worth about $5.00 in profit...

 

[Joe Blowe]

Everyone here is my thoughts-
1. I DO respect the alarm professionals, I have seen many who claim to be
but aren't.
2. My cost was low and only took 4 hours to pre wire everything taking my
time.
3. Fortunately, installing alarms is relatively simple stuff. It's not
rocket
science. If you can figure out how to pull network cabling and do punch
downs then alarm wiring is easy.
4. I like to learn , this is a fun project!
5. My shortage was caused by the builder changing fixed windows to ones that
open and adding 2 more after I had ordered my parts.
6. I saved a bunch of money which paid for my wood floor.
7. Had a bad previous experience in my first house with a local company and
received many false alarms from a "PROFESSIONAL installation"
8. I have learned how to build houses, lay tile and rebuild car engines by
reading manuals and asking questions, among many other things. That helps me
buy smarter when I do decide to pay someone.
9. Contractors do not always want to install what will work with my home
automation system that I am installing.
10.The money I saved also helped pay for more sensors and better equipment
than I could have afforded had I paid a pro.
11. Alarm pros usually charge by drop or connection not by hour. I would
have gladly paid just time and materials but pro's jack the price up way too
much.


Did you ever try to fix your computer yourself, you should have left it to a
professional like me, I would have saved you money and time... and done
it right.

I got a few sensors from radio shack and will replace them later when I get
the replacement ones I want to use.

 

[alarman]

Joe Blowe wrote

Everyone here is my thoughts-
1. I DO respect the alarm professionals, I have seen many who claim to be
but aren't.
2. My cost was low and only took 4 hours to pre wire everything taking my
time.
3. Fortunately, installing alarms is relatively simple stuff. It's not
rocket
science. If you can figure out how to pull network cabling and do punch
downs then alarm wiring is easy.
4. I like to learn , this is a fun project!
5. My shortage was caused by the builder changing fixed windows to ones that
open and adding 2 more after I had ordered my parts.
6. I saved a bunch of money which paid for my wood floor.
7. Had a bad previous experience in my first house with a local company and
received many false alarms from a "PROFESSIONAL installation"
8. I have learned how to build houses, lay tile and rebuild car engines by
reading manuals and asking questions, among many other things. That helps me
buy smarter when I do decide to pay someone.
9. Contractors do not always want to install what will work with my home
automation system that I am installing.
10.The money I saved also helped pay for more sensors and better equipment
than I could have afforded had I paid a pro.
11. Alarm pros usually charge by drop or connection not by hour. I would
have gladly paid just time and materials but pro's jack the price up way too
much.


Did you ever try to fix your computer yourself, you should have left it to a
professional like me, I would have saved you money and time... and done
it right.

I got a few sensors from radio shack and will replace them later when I get
the replacement ones I want to use.

I haven't taken my computer to a pro yet, they tend to want to jack up the
price too much. So far, I've been able to fix every problem that's come
along myself. It's a snap actually. Plus, have you seen some of the
Dorito-eating morons that call themselves computer pros? The network guys
are the worst. No thanks. (Oh, I do respect them though.)
js

 

[Aegis]

Everyone here is my thoughts-
1. I DO respect the alarm professionals, I have seen many who claim to be
but aren't.
2. My cost was low and only took 4 hours to pre wire everything taking my
time.
3. Fortunately, installing alarms is relatively simple stuff. It's not
rocket
science. If you can figure out how to pull network cabling and do punch
downs then alarm wiring is easy.
4. I like to learn , this is a fun project!
5. My shortage was caused by the builder changing fixed windows to ones that
open and adding 2 more after I had ordered my parts.
6. I saved a bunch of money which paid for my wood floor.

REAL wood floors? I looked into it, but the high potential of water damage
pushed me to Pergo(tm).

7. Had a bad previous experience in my first house with a local company and
received many false alarms from a "PROFESSIONAL installation"
8. I have learned how to build houses, lay tile and rebuild car engines by
reading manuals and asking questions, among many other things. That helps me
buy smarter when I do decide to pay someone.
9. Contractors do not always want to install what will work with my home
automation system that I am installing.
10.The money I saved also helped pay for more sensors and better equipment
than I could have afforded had I paid a pro.
11. Alarm pros usually charge by drop or connection not by hour. I would
have gladly paid just time and materials but pro's jack the price up way too
much.

Have all the residential teams gone to per-drop? I knew ADT had, but
EVERYONE else?

Did you ever try to fix your computer yourself, you should have left it to a
professional like me, I would have saved you money and time... and done
it right.

You a computer repair tech or a network installer? Or both? Big difference
between pulling comm cable and doing punch-downs (which I did for several
years at a communications company) and administering a new network
infrastructure (also have done on the side).

Either way, I see it as apples and oranges. As a comm installer, I just
needed to pull a lot more wires but getting them down wasn't hard, just
monotoneous (because there are so damn many!). Punch down blocks aren't
hard, you just need to have a cookie-cutter mentality since it is so
repetitive. As an alarm installer, it's not the pulling of wire, but the
tricks to get it to go where no comm cable has gone before (like my Star
Trek insertion there?). The majority of my skills as an alarm tech, in
residential at least, is getting the wire down TO the door/window/etc.
Sometimes it's an artform. New construction is a breeze no matter how you
slice it.

Not to knock what you do, but I see comm cabling as a step down from alarm
cabling. (Now if you want to compare head-ends, it's a different story.) The
major difference is the number of wires and certification of the wiring
(which alarm cabling doesn't need).

BTW, out of curiousity, did you pull any fiber inside your house?

 

[Frank Olson]

Now you're thinking like a pro.

Cripes Rob!! I don't even buy "AA" batteries in Rat Shack anymore... The
only time you'd ever catch me in there is at Christmas... when I'm lookin'
over all the nifty wireless (yes) remote control cars & trucks (SUV's)...
)

 

[Mark Leuck]

But if you needed those "AA" batteries to get the toy to work on Monday, and
they were the only store open, bet you'll buy those batteries from them and get
the good ones on Tuesday?

No I'd go to Kroger or Walmart, hell its more convenient to go to those than
the local Rat Shack

Geez, Now you've gone and done it. PUAL's going to start up with how a Radio
Shack Monster Masher radio control truck caused his wireless alarm to be
muzzled by it's RFI!

Well those trucks do share one common feature with our Belgium friend's
system, they are both toys

 

[Frank Olson]

Subject: Re: window and door contact question
From: "Mark Leuck" [email protected]
Date: 3/1/04 2:21 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <LvB0c.8094$ko6.194041@attbi_s02>



system, they are both toys
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If only Jake Ashbury were here to see this post

Where *is* Jake these days??

 

[Mark Leuck]

Subject: Re: window and door contact question
From: "Mark Leuck" [email protected]
Date: 3/1/04 2:21 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <LvB0c.8094$ko6.194041@attbi_s02>



system, they are both toys
<

If only Jake Ashbury were here to see this post

I haven't violated the agreement

 

[RH.Campbell]

Where is Jake Ashbury these days ? He isn't "Jake 452" is he ?

RHC

If only Jake Ashbury were here to see this post

 

[Mark Leuck]

Nope, different people

 

[RH.Campbell]

Shades of Wireless Willy ! I hope we aren't seeing the beginning of another
obsessive compulsive poster coming on line...

Sometimes I think this newsgroup is actually beginning to resemble the
cartoon strip in your local newspaper !!!!!

RHC

 

[Allan Waghalter]

Four Hours for that much pre-wiring! I am impressed.
Where do you live? Are you available for subcontracting?
Regards,
Allan Waghalter,
Houston, TX