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Archimedes Plutonium

Jan 1, 1970
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Mathew Orman wrote:
(snipped)
You can manually remove the Messenger folder.
Also make shore that you have the firewall on.

Sincerely,

Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com

Thanks Mathew for this and your other good advice posts.

But I have decided to use this virus laden HP as my "email computer"
because it gives me plenty of time to check the email and clean out the
email. And it is sort of a nice new feature in that when I have friends
or company over to the house and they inevitably want to use one of my
computers, well, I let them have free reign over this virus laden computer
which is especially a nice feature if there are kids in the crowd because
then they will not be spending the rest of their time at the computer
but tend to want to do something else once the virus pops up and
spoils whatever they are doing.

My plans for that machine, Mathew, is to yank out Microsoft and replace it
with Open Source software. Microsoft is too much of a moneygrub outfit
and I do not want all my computers operated with Microsoft.

I foresee in the future where the world cannot operate efficiently if all
software
comes from one outfit. Stability and security and safety of Information is
based
on a diversity of software options. When the world operates on one and only one

software, then when it is attacked, the entire system can be down where nothing

works. But if the world has say 10 softwares, each having some different
elements, then that is the protection needed so that a flaw will bring down at
most
say 10% of the world information system.

The world is unsafe when Microsoft has 90% of the software. That means, in the
future, it is best if there is not one large software companies but rather
instead, there are 10 software companies of about equal revenue.

Mathew, question, can I mail you my HP and have you refit the machine with
Open Source? An Open Source software that is as easy to use-- that is-- I do
not
have to memorize command codes.

Archimedes Plutonium, [email protected]
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
 
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Archimedes Plutonium

Jan 1, 1970
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Archimedes said:
I would almost bet that if Bill Microsoft had this virus on his computer
and by
trying to follow the instructions posted by Microsoft that Bill would be
unable
to clear out his machine of the virus.

This is a new REAlity TV show by ABC or CBS or Fox, where they have a
comfortable room with a computer that is smitten with the latest System
Shutdown worm/virus.

And what Bill Gates has to do is to either do one of two things correctly
in the
4 hours given him. Bill must remove the virus following the instructions
given by
Microsoft on its various websites. And if that task is too daunting for
Bill, then
he must "REINstall" the original software and remove the virus in that
manner.

I am betting that Microsoft web instructions have become so unmanageable
and
so complicated that even Bill Gates cannot clear and clean out a virus
infected machine with those instructions. Nor can 99% of the world public
who has a virus infected machine able to clear out their machine by trying
to follow those
instructions.

Worse yet. I remember just a few years ago when reinstalling software
comprised just one disk. Just one misely disk and the installation was
completed.
Here I am sitting with Microsoft XP with 6 disks just for the system folder
alone.

I bet that Bill Gates on a reality TV show is even unable to satisfactorily
reinstall
a Windows XP given the instructions that Microsoft has.

It is time for the world to stand up and notice that Linux and Open Source
software is not getting more complex and also getting more stable, yet
Microsoft software is getting more complex and unstable.

I believe this recent worm/virus of Microsoft is all due to the fact that
Microsoft wants to set up ""superfluous servers"" so as to invade the
privacy and cause customers to depend on these servers. The servers are
really not needed at all.
But because Microsoft puts these server dependency into their software then
it is
open for virus attack.

The reason Microsoft likes the idea of server dependency by users is
because
it "aggrandizes and further consolidates their monopoly condition in the
marketplace". But because Microsoft has these superfluous servers for their
silly
"instant messenger" "their wireless" and their other silly programs.
Because
Microsoft is expanding these servers leaves them acutely vulnerable to
virus
attacks.

The most galling thing of this story is that Microsoft expects the rest of
the world to fix their problems and to continue with their steady flow of
10 billion
dollars profit each and every month. With instructions that not even Bill
Gates is
able to skillfully follow or fix his machines.

I want a $200 refund for my Windows XP so that I can buy Linux Open Source
and refit this HP computer.

Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
 
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Richard Henry

Jan 1, 1970
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Some Guy said:
You know, after I sent my other (slightly flaming) reply to your first and
second paragraphs, I re-read the entire post... and a thought struck me...
you seem to be spouting the same party line as the worm does... are you, in
fact, the jerk that wrote the worm, maybe? Or one of his sick followers?
Was your original post not a cry for help, but rather merely a chance to
spout your anti-Microsoft agenda?

Is there a pro-Microsoft agenda?
 
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Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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Archimedes said:
This is a new REAlity TV show by ABC or CBS or Fox, where they have a
comfortable room with a computer that is smitten with the latest System
Shutdown worm/virus.

And what Bill Gates has to do is to either do one of two things correctly
in the
4 hours given him. Bill must remove the virus following the instructions
given by
Microsoft on its various websites. And if that task is too daunting for
Bill, then
he must "REINstall" the original software and remove the virus in that
manner.

I am betting that Microsoft web instructions have become so unmanageable
and
so complicated that even Bill Gates cannot clear and clean out a virus
infected machine with those instructions. Nor can 99% of the world public
who has a virus infected machine able to clear out their machine by trying
to follow those
instructions.

Worse yet. I remember just a few years ago when reinstalling software
comprised just one disk. Just one misely disk and the installation was
completed.
Here I am sitting with Microsoft XP with 6 disks just for the system folder
alone.

I bet that Bill Gates on a reality TV show is even unable to satisfactorily
reinstall
a Windows XP given the instructions that Microsoft has.

It is time for the world to stand up and notice that Linux and Open Source
software is not getting more complex and also getting more stable, yet
Microsoft software is getting more complex and unstable.

I believe this recent worm/virus of Microsoft is all due to the fact that
Microsoft wants to set up ""superfluous servers"" so as to invade the
privacy and cause customers to depend on these servers. The servers are
really not needed at all.
But because Microsoft puts these server dependency into their software then
it is
open for virus attack.

The reason Microsoft likes the idea of server dependency by users is
because
it "aggrandizes and further consolidates their monopoly condition in the
marketplace". But because Microsoft has these superfluous servers for their
silly
"instant messenger" "their wireless" and their other silly programs.
Because
Microsoft is expanding these servers leaves them acutely vulnerable to
virus
attacks.

The most galling thing of this story is that Microsoft expects the rest of
the world to fix their problems and to continue with their steady flow of
10 billion
dollars profit each and every month. With instructions that not even Bill
Gates is
able to skillfully follow or fix his machines.

I want a $200 refund for my Windows XP so that I can buy Linux Open Source
and refit this HP computer.

Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

I attempted to follow the inxtructions, and the section where one is
supposed to find whether the worm is running as a task was over 80
percent incorrect with a lot of junk that did not even exist.
Suffice to say that it is incredibly simple to check the running tasks
as compared to the complicated (and impossible) hoops to jump thru (as
indicated in the "instructions").
Well, the bottom line was that the worm was *not* on the computer, and
the upshot of the "exercize" was a system that corrupted my browser (at
minimum) so that the majority of webpages were whitescreen.
If one knew exactly where on the screen links would be, one could
visit those invisible places and click on the links - and the would work
(may get another whitescreen).
Had a little fun remembering placement of links, but got tired of that
BS.
I pulled that HD and instaled my backup HD (exact full copy) from a
week ago; no problems since.
 
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Some Guy

Jan 1, 1970
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?
Is there a pro-Microsoft agenda?

Uh, yeah. Bill Gates' agenda is definitely pro-Microsoft... ;)

I was just commenting, however, that the original poster seemed to be on
the proverbial soapbox, which I have little patience for. Not that I
particularly support Microsoft, just that I think tirades like the one I
responded to are stupid. Especially when they are completely off topic for
the newsgroup they are posted in. I mean, exactly how does this worm
problem relate to a discussion of electronics? I think its a stretch, don't
you?
 
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Tom Potter

Jan 1, 1970
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Blaming Microsoft for this,
is like a rapist blaming a beautiful girl
that she is responsible for being raped,
because she didn't wear a chasity belt.

That aside,
you can keep your computer from shutting down by
going to "run" and running:
"shutdown -a"

I deleted the msfrag.exe
and renamed a small resident program "msdefrag.exe",
and write protected it,
and so far it seems to be working.
I offer no guarantees on it working though.

I plan to install the Microsoft update,
after I have backed up my data,
as all folks should.
 
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Archimedes Plutonium

Jan 1, 1970
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Tom said:
Blaming Microsoft for this,
is like a rapist blaming a beautiful girl
that she is responsible for being raped,
because she didn't wear a chasity belt.

That aside,
you can keep your computer from shutting down by
going to "run" and running:
"shutdown -a"

I deleted the msfrag.exe
and renamed a small resident program "msdefrag.exe",
and write protected it,
and so far it seems to be working.
I offer no guarantees on it working though.

I plan to install the Microsoft update,
after I have backed up my data,
as all folks should.

Hi Tom, good to see an old buddy of mine.

Anyway, I kind of like this virus in my computer. It speeds me up in
cleaning out email boxes. And you know, I think these virus writers have

cut the spammers out by 99%. So that they are white knights against
spammers.

But if I cannot get a $200 refund from Microsoft or have the store fix
it or
refund me on the whole computer, I just may as well keep it with the
virus
intact so that whenever anyone uses my computers it hurrys them along.

When they catch the perpetrators of this virus, they should fine them
not in jail
time but rather instead-- house arrest until they figure out a virus or
worm that
will destroy or knock out spammers.

Have these virus/worm writers do good for society by creating a virus
worm that
attacks specifically only spammers. I would love to see a day when it is
the

Virus/Worm writers fighting it out with the Spammers

A contest we can all appreciate, and I know which one I am cheering for.

Archimedes Plutonium, [email protected]
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
 
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Tom Potter

Jan 1, 1970
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Tom Potter said:
Blaming Microsoft for this,
is like a rapist blaming a beautiful girl
that she is responsible for being raped,
because she didn't wear a chasity belt.

That aside,
you can keep your computer from shutting down by
going to "run" and running:
"shutdown -a"

I deleted the msfrag.exe
and renamed a small resident program "msdefrag.exe",
and write protected it,
and so far it seems to be working.
I offer no guarantees on it working though.

I plan to install the Microsoft update,
after I have backed up my data,
as all folks should.


Excuse me,
I made a typo.

I named the small resident program the same name
as the worm, that is "msfrag.exe".

I am still experimenting with this, as
it only holds off the shutdown for a short time,
and I keep a program ("Process Explorer) resident
to keep an eye on the system, and to delete the
real msfrag.exe when it gets in.

I plan to copy "read only" versions of my phony
"msfrag.exe" to all places the worm gets loaded to,
and see if this will prevent it from getting in.
 
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Robert J. Kolker

Jan 1, 1970
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Tom said:
I plan to copy "read only" versions of my phony
"msfrag.exe" to all places the worm gets loaded to,
and see if this will prevent it from getting in.

I put up my firewall and that seemed to do the trick.

Bob Kolker
 
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Mathew Orman

Jan 1, 1970
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Archimedes Plutonium said:
Yes, Robert, I believe this current worm is not a problem of computers but a
problem of server configuration at Microsoft. Good software should not rely on
increasing server link up with customer and manufacturer but less. And the many
personal computers that have been affected by this worm/virus should not have
to do a single thing but rather Microsoft reconfigure their server and solve the

problem at their end of the line.

Microsoft feels that its monopolistic agenda is best served by increasing
Server to client dependency. But that makes Microsoft software all the easier
to penetrate with virus/worm.

I would like a $200 refund for Windows XP and buy Linux Open Source and
refitt my HP.

Now, if only those creators of this worm/virus can create a similar system
shutdown for TV boxes then Americans can spend more time on better things,
and if these creators can create a worm/virus to shutdown appetite for Americans

then we maybe able to reverse our trend to obesity.

Archimedes Plutonium, [email protected]
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

The virus fix from Microsoft has blocked my FTP server permanently!
I wonder if they have a fix for that as well?
Also I would like to get back my $2000 for the MSDN subscription!

Sincerely,

Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com
 
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Tom Potter

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert J. Kolker said:
I put up my firewall and that seemed to do the trick.

Bob Kolker

I just installed the Microsoft update,
and so far the worm is not getting through,
and everything else seems to be working okay.

Tom Potter
 
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The Ghost In The Machine

Jan 1, 1970
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In sci.physics, Archimedes Plutonium
<[email protected]>
wrote
Mathew Orman wrote:
(snipped)


I do not know if they ever caught the last creator of the virus
that required the Microsoft patch some years back. And this same
patch is what is being attacked here in August of 2003.

Pedant point: the virus did not cause people to require the patch.
The virus exploits a vulnerability created by Microsoft, for which
Microsoft duly created a patch. Of course, people without the
patch ran a risk of infection.

[rest snipped]
 
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Tom Potter

Jan 1, 1970
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The Ghost In The Machine said:
In sci.physics, Archimedes Plutonium
<[email protected]>
wrote


Pedant point: the virus did not cause people to require the patch.
The virus exploits a vulnerability created by Microsoft, for which
Microsoft duly created a patch. Of course, people without the
patch ran a risk of infection.

Blaming Microsoft for the problem is like a rapist blaming a
victim because she did not wear a chastity belt.

All systems, and all people, have vulnerabilities,
and the people who exploit these vulnerabilities
for personal gain, or because they have twisted minds,
are enemies of society, and should be dealt with as such.

That said, Microsoft should not publicize the specifics
of any vulnerabilities they discover, as this motivates
these twisted people to do harm to society,
and to blame someone else.

"Shame of you, worm maker."
May you die the death of ten thousand cuts,
for all the harm you have done to millions of good folks.
 
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The Ghost In The Machine

Jan 1, 1970
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In sci.physics, Tom Potter
<[email protected]>
wrote
Blaming Microsoft for the problem is like a rapist blaming a
victim because she did not wear a chastity belt.

All systems, and all people, have vulnerabilities,
and the people who exploit these vulnerabilities
for personal gain, or because they have twisted minds,
are enemies of society, and should be dealt with as such.

That said, Microsoft should not publicize the specifics
of any vulnerabilities they discover, as this motivates
these twisted people to do harm to society,
and to blame someone else.

"Shame of you, worm maker."
May you die the death of ten thousand cuts,
for all the harm you have done to millions of good folks.

I agree that the wormmaker should be punished. I agree
that Microsoft should not be held liable for its mistake,
although one hopes for corrective action to forestall such
mistakes in the future. However, QA is never perfect.

I do not agree that it should not be made public. Once the
vulnerability is patched (and Microsoft made the patch
available a month ago) it's up to the user to patch his system.

Cf. Bruce Schneier for more info on this sort of thing (he's
a crypto expert and should know :) ).

Microsoft is culpable, but should not be held liable.
There's a difference.

[.sigsnip]
 
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