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http://www.theonion.com/articles/la...s-movie-alone-on,20969/?utm_source=recentnewsFred said:This is funnier
Our credit rating /will/ be downgraded--I wrote that here long ago--
not for lack of borrowing authorization, but because we're borrowing
and spending off a cliff.
Our rating is already unrealistically
artificially high,
and interest rates are half the historical norm--
those will go up, naturally. That's expected.
Other than pathological situations, why on earth would someone invest
in a devaluing currency for a net negative return? That makes no
sense.
People who make loans want to be repaid, with interest. When they're
afraid that won't happen, e.g. Greece, they first ask higher returns,
then stop lending altogether.
They'd have to raise revenue by a factor of 1.76. It can't be done.
(In effect, they've done that already by borrowing the money, payments
for which will come from future tax, but it's not at all certain we'll
pay, hence the looming crisis.)
Of course they're possible, don't be absurd. Obama's raised spending
24% in two years.
He's baselined the stimulus and bailout spending
hikes--we could start by eliminating those.
I have, but I just wonder if you have. Cutting big is dirt simple.
We have legions of absolutely useless or harmful agencies, to start.
I agree. If people can't see that spending and borrowing has
consequences, that it wrecks employment and diminishes people's
savings, if we stick with the class warfare drivel--that can only end
badly.
Good. Since money is free, let's borrow quadrillions and all be
rich. Since there's no limit, we can all vacation in Greece.
Of course it works. The /only/ way to accumulate wealth is to create
it faster than you spend it. So, either earn more or spend less.
Right now we're repressing businesses and revenue, AND spending money
we don't have like no society has ever spent in human history. We're
penalizing productive people to encourage non-productive people not to
work--that's simply never going to work.
Neither can we borrow our way out of debt, or spend ourselves to
prosperity. We've tried that big for two years, and it's not anywhere
close to working, it's damaging the nation. We're burying ourselves
in debt, for nothing.
Here's a simple test: Multiply the trillions we've spent on stimulus
by Keynes' multiplier, and divide that by the price of one reasonable
job. Compare that jobs-creation number that to the actual net gain in
employment over the period.
JeffM said:"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government.cbarn24050@ aol.com said:hamilton said:
[It's] [already] ruined.
It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote
themselves
largesse from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for
the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury
with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal
policy,
always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200
years."
Alexis De Tocqueville
Democracy in America (1835)
Just for S&G, I did a text search incbarn24050@ aol.com said:hamilton wrote:
[http://www.theonion.com/articles/congress-continues-debate-over-wheth...]
[It's] [already] ruined.
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government.
It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote
themselves
largesse from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for
the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury
with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal
policy,
always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200
years."
Alexis De Tocqueville
Democracy in America (1835)
The principles are sound but the quote's modern, not from DIA.
http://www.lorencollins.net/tytler.html
The Constitution had some pretty good protections against that process
though--the various checks and balances, and the use of layers of
representatives rather than direct democracy.
We've scuttled most of them, but they are why we've lasted as long as
we have.
The odd thing is that anyone believes we have to borrow more money to
save our credit rating, that more borrowing somehow staves off
default, or that default on $29B in interest payments is even remotely
possible when ongoing revenue is roughly $200B a month.
Other than the President saying it all the time, one wonders why
anyone believes it.
Hell look at the price of a loaf of freakin' bread!Here's a simple test: Multiply the trillions we've spent on stimulus
by Keynes' multiplier, and divide that by the price of one reasonable
job. Compare that jobs-creation number that to the actual net gain in
employment over the period.
Bill said:Not in any way you are prepared to contemplate.
Bill said:Not in any way you are prepared to contemplate.
OK, so try us.
Which way is this that you're so sure we're "[not] prepared to contemplate?"
Please, present _YOUR_ plan for digging the USA out of the bottomless pit of
practically infinite debt.
That's simple. It's because Our Glorious Beloved Infallible Leader said
it.
That's the same perpetual motion machine in sheep's clothing.
Shuffling money doesn't create more. Deferring the taking doesn't
change the taking. It fools some people, but only some.
You've just dug Keynes up by the root. The money doesn't go where he
thinks it will or have the effect he predicted. Without those he's
useless. Keynes was wrong, as we've seen today yet again.
He makes a nice cult figure though.
I wonder why you lament our "military-industrial complex." By your
theory it should be an absolutely fantastic pump-primer, a wellspring
of Keynesian stimulus and jobs.
Yes, of course. I predicted today's exact circumstance two years ago,
not because I'm such a flaming genius, but because it's perfectly
obvious.
By "pump-priming" you mean "coercion / repression," by "enthusiastic"
you mean "aggressive."
But, shooting your dog doesn't make him fetch better, it just kills
him. Firing more rounds doesn't improve the outcome.