PROGRAMMER NEEDED

[[email protected]]

I am looking for a good general purpose programmer that I can build,
either in kit form, raw pc board or a used one.

Anyone know of the best programmer for pics, too? Need same for it.
Must be cheap.

Thanks a bunch.

Please reply here as email is broken.

 

[Bill Garber]

: I am looking for a good general purpose programmer that I can
build,
: either in kit form, raw pc board or a used one.
:
: Anyone know of the best programmer for pics, too? Need same
for it.
: Must be cheap.

Do a Google search for "Programmers PIC Eprom"
and any other key word you can think of that
applies to what you need and you'll find lots
of different types and brands. You can get a
fairly good serial PIC programmer for between
$15 and $30.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
Email - [email protected]
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[[email protected]]

I know. There are a zillion programming devices out there. I was
hoping that someone would share their opinions on a kit or pcb that
they have built both for general purpose and pic devices.

Thanks Bill, for the reply.

G

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:02:55 -0500, "Bill Garber"

Quoted:
Quoted: Quoted: : I am looking for a good general purpose programmer that I
can
Quoted: build,
Quoted: : either in kit form, raw pc board or a used one.
Quoted: :
Quoted: : Anyone know of the best programmer for pics, too? Need same
Quoted: for it.
Quoted: : Must be cheap.
Quoted:
Quoted: Do a Google search for "Programmers PIC Eprom"
Quoted: and any other key word you can think of that
Quoted: applies to what you need and you'll find lots
Quoted: of different types and brands. You can get a
Quoted: fairly good serial PIC programmer for between
Quoted: $15 and $30.
Quoted:
Quoted: Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
Quoted: Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
Quoted: Email - [email protected]
Quoted: Remove - SPAM and X to contact me
Quoted:
Quoted:
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[John B]

what do you consider cheap? I bought the Picall V3.42 and am very happy
with it so far. Good support and very functional programmer. Bought mine
from amazon electronics. It doesn't come with a case, so i mounted it on a
piece of plexiglas using standoffs so it won't tip from the weight of the
parallel cable when it is plugged in.
hope this helps.

John

 

[Dennis Clark]

In comp.arch.embedded [email protected] wrote:

There are no decent PIC programming kits IMO. I got a WARP13 programmer,
which is PIC specific, but can do some work with EEPROMs and AVR chips as
well. Check out http://www.newfoundelectronics.com for specifics and then
go to http://www.phanderson.com to buy it.

It is a good product, and since it uses the serial port, not the parallel
port you are less likely to get hit with random Windows issues.

IMO,
DLC

: I know. There are a zillion programming devices out there. I was
: hoping that someone would share their opinions on a kit or pcb that
: they have built both for general purpose and pic devices.

: Thanks Bill, for the reply.

: G

: On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:02:55 -0500, "Bill Garber"

: Quoted:
: Quoted: : Quoted: : I am looking for a good general purpose programmer that I
: can
: Quoted: build,
: Quoted: : either in kit form, raw pc board or a used one.
: Quoted: :
: Quoted: : Anyone know of the best programmer for pics, too? Need same
: Quoted: for it.
: Quoted: : Must be cheap.
: Quoted:
: Quoted: Do a Google search for "Programmers PIC Eprom"
: Quoted: and any other key word you can think of that
: Quoted: applies to what you need and you'll find lots
: Quoted: of different types and brands. You can get a
: Quoted: fairly good serial PIC programmer for between
: Quoted: $15 and $30.
: Quoted:
: Quoted: Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
: Quoted: Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
: Quoted: Email - [email protected]
: Quoted: Remove - SPAM and X to contact me
: Quoted:
: Quoted:
: Quoted:
: Quoted: ---
: Quoted: This email ain't infected, dude!
: Quoted:
: Quoted: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
: Quoted: Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date:
: 12/27/03

 

[[email protected]]

Wouter:

Why is yours as good or better than the Warp13?

Thanks


Quoted: > There are no decent PIC programming kits IMO.
Quoted:
Quoted: http://www.voti.nl/wisp628
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted: Wouter van Ooijen
Quoted:
Quoted: -- ------------------------------------
Quoted: http://www.voti.nl
Quoted: PICmicro chips, programmers, consulting

 

[[email protected]]

Wouter:

You are right. You didn't say that. I appreciate you outlining the
difference as they will aid me in making a selection.

Due to my requirements, I may go with the Warp13 but your programmer
is an interesting option.

Anyone else have anything to add about a good PIC programming kit or
the Warp13?

Thanks

And, thanks to all of the folks who were kind enough to give me some
guidance.


Quoted: >Why is yours as good or better than the Warp13?
Quoted:
Quoted: I did not say that. I responded to 'there is no decent PIC
programmer
Quoted: kit'.
Quoted:
Quoted: Warp13 <-> Wisp628:
Quoted:
Quoted: warp is more expensive
Quoted: wisp628 can do only flash PICs
Quoted: warp is intended for ex-circuit programming, has ZIF socket,
has
Quoted: (needs) its own power.
Quoted: wisp628 is intended for in-circuit programming, no ZIF, steals
power
Quoted: from the target
Quoted: warp is PS+ compatible, can be used from MPLAB
Quoted: wisp628 PC software is open source, can be used on Win, Linux,
Mac,
Quoted: OS/2, ....
Quoted:
Quoted: I think those are enough differences to show why they both
exist and
Quoted: have their use.
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted: Wouter van Ooijen
Quoted:
Quoted: -- ------------------------------------
Quoted: http://www.voti.nl
Quoted: PICmicro chips, programmers, consulting

 

[Mike Harding]

Anyone else have anything to add about a good PIC programming kit or
the Warp13?

Yes I have. The Warp 13 product works well, however the support
from Newfound Electronics (the makers) is terrible. If you buy one
I cannot suggest strongly enough that you buy from Dontronics
rather than direct from Newfound - if you do have problems Don
will do more than his level best to sort then out. Also ensure the
Wapr software does not have any "protection" scheme in place,
certainly one version did and it caused me no end of trouble.

Mike Harding

 

[[email protected]]

Thanks, Mike.

How does one tell if the software has a protection scheme or not
before buying other than simply asking?

Also, what problems did you have the required assistance?

I have bought from Dontronics before and they are really good however,
they are on the other side of the world from me.

Does anyone know what C compiler is best for the PIC devices?





On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:35:11 +1100, Mike Harding

Quoted: On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 01:35:20 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
Quoted:
Quoted: >Anyone else have anything to add about a good PIC programming
kit or
Quoted: >the Warp13?
Quoted:
Quoted: Yes I have. The Warp 13 product works well, however the
support
Quoted: from Newfound Electronics (the makers) is terrible. If you buy
one
Quoted: I cannot suggest strongly enough that you buy from Dontronics
Quoted: rather than direct from Newfound - if you do have problems Don
Quoted: will do more than his level best to sort then out. Also ensure
the
Quoted: Wapr software does not have any "protection" scheme in place,
Quoted: certainly one version did and it caused me no end of trouble.
Quoted:
Quoted: Mike Harding

 

[j.b. miller]

You can get C compilers for free,$100 or $1000s.....
Kinda a loaded question, like what is the 'best' micro .
That said, I bought the CCS C compiler 4 or 5 years ago. For $100 it was a
really good deal. Lots of examples,decent explanation of stuff, great 'web
board',downlaodable demo version,etc.
Depends on the skill level you have,time for projects(hobby or work).
I also bought the Microchip Picstartplus programmer for easy,works out of
the box troublefree.
hope this helps

Jay in Greensville,Ont -20C today !

 

[Bob Stephens]

Thanks, Mike.

How does one tell if the software has a protection scheme or not
before buying other than simply asking?

Also, what problems did you have the required assistance?

I have bought from Dontronics before and they are really good however,
they are on the other side of the world from me.

Does anyone know what C compiler is best for the PIC devices?

For 18XXX devices we use MCC18 from Microchip with the MPLAB ICD2.

For 12XX 14XX and 16XX devices we use Hi-tech, which works fine, but is not
cheap. Around 1 Kbuck IIRC.

Bob

 

[Mike Harding]

How does one tell if the software has a protection scheme or not
before buying other than simply asking?

Ask on the PIClist, I should think is best. Maybe Dontronics
know?

Also, what problems did you have the required assistance?

It would not be appropriate to go into them here but suffice it
to say I shall not deal with Newfound again - and I have been
a professional in this business for 25+ years.

If I ever buy another Newfound product (which is unlikely) it
will be through Dontronics - although basically a one-man
business I don't think I have seen _any_ company do more
to help it's customers.

I have bought from Dontronics before and they are really good however,
they are on the other side of the world from me.

Doesn't really matter for these sorts of products and Don will
respond to e-mails promptly.

To be quite fair to Newfound I have owned a Warp 3 which has
been, and still is, operating well for about 6 or 7 years - I have
no issue with hardware quality and the software is, generally,
OK in it's operation - although NOT it's copy protection.

Does anyone know what C compiler is best for the PIC devices?

Hi Tech C is, without doubt, the best but it is expensive although
they do do some free/low cost? products.
www.htsoft.com

Mike Harding

 

[Robin Mitchell]

Also ensure the
Warp software does not have any "protection" scheme in place,
certainly one version did and it caused me no end of trouble.

I bought a Warp13 about a year ago, and have since downloaded a software
update. Neither the original software nor the update had any sort of
protection scheme in place. In fact, I've installed the software on two
machines (my development system and a laptop for field use) with no
problems at all. Since the software is useless without their programming
hardware it's hard to see why they'd even want to protect it.

I'll add that I've been very happy with my Warp13 -- I've used it for both
in- and out-of-circuit programming on a variety of PIC chips with no
problems at all, using both the MPLAB software and the dedicated Warp13
software. They've released several firmware upgrades since I bought my
unit, which they've made available for free as hex files or inexpensively
as pre-programmed PIC chips. I'd definitely buy another one if something
happened to mine...