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Will a grid-tie solar system cause problems with X-10?

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usmcbrat

Jan 1, 1970
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I have several lights using X-10 switches. I'm planning a new PV system
tied to the grid. Does anyone know if that will interfere with X-10 type
switches?
 
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Anthony Matonak

Jan 1, 1970
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usmcbrat said:
I have several lights using X-10 switches. I'm planning a new PV system
tied to the grid. Does anyone know if that will interfere with X-10 type
switches?

It should not. If it does then you have a very bad PV inverter.

Anthony
 
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Jim Baber

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Baber replies:
Sheesch, just sent you a message about sticker shock earlier!

I don't use a lot of X10, but I do have some. I do not know of any
problems specially associated with my solar system. X10 is just
occasionally flaky. I do have a X10 camera I use to occasionally read
my PG&E meter in bad weather and it works ok, it's just hard to read in
bad light conditions. My other X10 circuits are fine. I don't use
dimming because of X10's problems with CFL lights.

By the way this does not have any thing to do with X10, and only
indirectly with your sticker shock, I reduced my annual kWh from 25,990
kWh to a little less than 19,000 kWh 2 years ago, by correcting my
power factor. Have you looked into this?
I have several lights using X-10 switches. I'm planning a new PV system
tied to the grid. Does anyone know if that will interfere with X-10 type
switches?

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Jim Baber
Email [email protected]
1350 W Mesa Ave.
Fresno CA, 93711
(559) 435-9068
(559) 905-2204 (Verizon IN cellphone (to other Verizon IN accounts))
See 10kW grid tied solar system at "http://www.baber.org/solarpanels.jpg"
See solar system production data at "http://www.baber.org/solar_status.htm"
 
Jim Baber said:
... I reduced my annual kWh from 25,990 kWh to a little less than
19,000 kWh 2 years ago, by correcting my power factor.

Sounds impossible to me. Do you have a more detailed explanation?

Nick
 
Solar Flare said:
Although it sounds impossible, and is, if you have no co-generating
source in your house, by correcting PF you reduce the VA load to your
co-generating system and allow more reserve VA capacity to backfeed
your grid-tie, thereby reducing your kWh bills.

Does Jim have cogen? A 27% reduction still sounds impossible to me.
Do you have a more detailed explanation?

Nick
 
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daestrom

Jan 1, 1970
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Solar Flare said:
I believe we already went through this previously.

Although it sounds impossible, and is, if you have no co-generating source
in your house, by correcting PF you reduce the VA load to your
co-generating system and allow more reserve VA capacity to backfeed your
grid-tie, thereby reducing your kWh bills.

Generating sources usually do not care what your watt load is, only VA.
Thay are rated in VA except the units created by Engineers that do not
understand the technology.

But when operating a grid-tie inverter, the inverter doesn't *care* what the
load pf is. Because it is operating in parallel with the grid supply, the
distribution of VAR load between the inverter and grid is *not* simply
share-and-share-alike. The inverter is pumping power to the grid, and the
pf that it operates at is determined *completely* by the internals of the
inverter.

Take the extreme case, run your loads when the inverter is off, then shut
off all the loads and run the inverter. The pf of the loads doesn't affect
the kwh meter when they are running since the meter only registers the w and
not the va. The inverter pumps power to the grid when it's running, and
(hopefully) outputs power at near unity pf. The kwh meter registers the W
component of the inverter output.

If you combine the two (run both loads and inverter at the same time), then
the inverter continues to supply power at near unity pf and the utility
supplies all the VAR load. Net result is the lower W load on the utility
and the same VAR load means the kwh meter is running with a very low pf.
But the meter still only registers the kwh drawn through it, even at very
low pf (unless Jim has a bad meter, but that's unlikely).

If the inverter runs at a high pf when pumping power to the grid and all
loads are switched off, it will run with the same high pf when the loads are
switched on. And it will run with the *same* pf when the loads are switched
on *and* a pf correction network is connected to the loads.

daestrom
 
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