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Impalpable

Jan 1, 1970
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Hey guys,
After searching the web and local stores I have come up with various
high prices of many alarm parts I need. Basically I was wondering if
anyone knows of an online site that sells at good prices to those of us
who don't do this professionally. I just help Churches and various
other non-profits I volunteer with keep their systems functioning. I
need a new alarm battery, a few door contacts (wired), and a
transformer. Do you all think I should just keep searching ebay until
a good deal shows ? Thanks for the input.

Scott
 
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Stanley Barthfarkle

Jan 1, 1970
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Search in Ebay stores- auctions are very hit and miss. Lots of folks selling
new and used alarm stuff at great prices.
 
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Michael Baker

Jan 1, 1970
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ADI will sell to anyone, so long as the check doesn't bounce.
 
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Stanley Barthfarkle

Jan 1, 1970
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They won't here. Have to be licensed.
 
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shady

Jan 1, 1970
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Hey guys,
After searching the web and local stores I have come up with various
high prices of many alarm parts I need. Basically I was wondering if
anyone knows of an online site that sells at good prices to those of us
who don't do this professionally. I just help Churches and various
other non-profits I volunteer with keep their systems functioning. I
need a new alarm battery, a few door contacts (wired), and a
transformer. Do you all think I should just keep searching ebay until
a good deal shows ? Thanks for the input.

Scott

Have you tried your local alarm companies? The more selling stuff and less
little service calls (like changing batteries) we do the better. I assume
other companies would feel the same way.
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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Not here they wont. They will let a client pickup a purchase made and paid
for by a licensed dealer though.


| ADI will sell to anyone, so long as the check doesn't bounce.
|
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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I drop ship batteries to clients quite frequently...sometimes they don't
need to pay for a service call to replace a battery if they're physically
able to reach the panel and do it themselves. I certainly wouldn't want 85
year old aunt Mabel climbing a ladder!


| "Impalpable" wrote...
| > Hey guys,
| > After searching the web and local stores I have come up with various
| > high prices of many alarm parts I need. Basically I was wondering if
| > anyone knows of an online site that sells at good prices to those of us
| > who don't do this professionally. I just help Churches and various
| > other non-profits I volunteer with keep their systems functioning. I
| > need a new alarm battery, a few door contacts (wired), and a
| > transformer. Do you all think I should just keep searching ebay until
| > a good deal shows ? Thanks for the input.
| >
| > Scott
| >
|
| Have you tried your local alarm companies? The more selling stuff and
less
| little service calls (like changing batteries) we do the better. I assume
| other companies would feel the same way.
|
|
 
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Jen...tel

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm not in the alarm business but when i needed stuff for my alarm, i
was told about the Home Security Store (www.homesecuritystore.com).
They have good prices, shipped fast, and I could call toll-free to ask
questions. I know others who shopped there and they said it was good
shopping. They also have a great forum (not like this landfill) for do
it yourself people, where you ask questions on alarms and you get real
honest answers without wasting time reading hundreds of post on
spelling, grammer, fish, or if spackle was a correct answer.

You can buy from Bass, I bought an item from him before, and he did a
good job, but you can never say so here cause those in the alarm
business hate him cause he sells direct to us home owners. I wouldn't
take advice from any of the alarm guys who post here. If you read what
half of them write, they are proof that any "primate" can do their job.
Hell, they are proof that an ass is capable of being an alarm
installer.

Jenn
 
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Charles Schuler

Jan 1, 1970
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Jen...tel said:
I'm not in the alarm business but when i needed stuff for my alarm, i
was told about the Home Security Store (www.homesecuritystore.com).
They have good prices, shipped fast, and I could call toll-free to ask
questions. I know others who shopped there and they said it was good
shopping. They also have a great forum (not like this landfill) for do
it yourself people, where you ask questions on alarms and you get real
honest answers without wasting time reading hundreds of post on
spelling, grammer, fish, or if spackle was a correct answer.

I just installed one of their kits and so far am pleased. Also, they have
tech support via email ([email protected]) and they
responded to me within hours and provided the correct information on the
first go-around.
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Not here they wont. They will let a client pickup
a purchase made and paid for by a licensed
dealer though.

A lot of the branches are refusing to do even that lately. For
one thing, they don't want to answer an end user's questions.
More importantly, they don't want dealers to see them even
talking to end users.

I get referrals from a number of branches. End users call asking
for something and the reps would rather give them the name of a
dealer who wants DIY business.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm not in the alarm business but when i needed stuff for my alarm, i
was told about the Home Security Store (www.homesecuritystore.com).
They have good prices, shipped fast, and I could call toll-free to ask
questions. I know others who shopped there and they said it was good
shopping. They also have a great forum (not like this landfill) for do
it yourself people, where you ask questions on alarms and you get real
honest answers without wasting time reading hundreds of post on
spelling, grammer, fish, or if spackle was a correct answer.

You can buy from Bass, I bought an item from him before, and he did a
good job, but you can never say so here cause those in the alarm
business hate him cause he sells direct to us home owners. I wouldn't
take advice from any of the alarm guys who post here. If you read what
half of them write, they are proof that any "primate" can do their job.
Hell, they are proof that an ass is capable of being an alarm
installer.

Heh, heh, heh.. :^)
--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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I wouldn't send someone who doesn't understand the game though. I have a few
clients that I send and they keep their mouths shut. Personally, I buy AC
refrigeration and swimming pool parts, car parts etc. wholesale on a their
accounts we kinda swap favors.


|> Not here they wont. They will let a client pickup
| > a purchase made and paid for by a licensed
| > dealer though.
|
| A lot of the branches are refusing to do even that lately. For
| one thing, they don't want to answer an end user's questions.
| More importantly, they don't want dealers to see them even
| talking to end users.
|
| I get referrals from a number of branches. End users call asking
| for something and the reps would rather give them the name of a
| dealer who wants DIY business.
|
| --
|
| Regards,
| Robert L Bass
|
| Bass Burglar Alarms
| The Online DIY Store
| http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
|
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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same goes for phone systems.



| I'm not in the alarm business but when i needed stuff for my alarm, i
| was told about the Home Security Store (www.homesecuritystore.com).
| They have good prices, shipped fast, and I could call toll-free to ask
| questions. I know others who shopped there and they said it was good
| shopping. They also have a great forum (not like this landfill) for do
| it yourself people, where you ask questions on alarms and you get real
| honest answers without wasting time reading hundreds of post on
| spelling, grammer, fish, or if spackle was a correct answer.
|
| You can buy from Bass, I bought an item from him before, and he did a
| good job, but you can never say so here cause those in the alarm
| business hate him cause he sells direct to us home owners. I wouldn't
| take advice from any of the alarm guys who post here. If you read what
| half of them write, they are proof that any "primate" can do their job.
| Hell, they are proof that an ass is capable of being an alarm
| installer.
|
| Jenn
|
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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I wouldn't send someone who doesn't understand the
game though. I have a few clients that I send and they
keep their mouths shut. Personally, I buy AC refrigeration
and swimming pool parts, car parts etc. wholesale on
their accounts we kinda swap favors.

I did have a problem with an ADI branch dealing with a customer
once. The client ordered a complete system from my online store,
kept it past the 30-day grace period and then tried to return the
entire order, claiming "it didn't work."

I asked what parts he wanted to return and he listed, along with
part numbers he ordered from my online store, several items that
he got elsewhere. When I saw that I contacted my local branch
and they investigated the matter for me. They found that a
Massachusetts branch near him had opened an account for him
after I allowed him to pick up his order there.

It turned out the customer bought replacements for the entire
system from ADI *after* installing what he bought from me. I
told him he could return it to ADI and they would credit his new
account. My branch manager then called corporate and complained
about them opening an account for the end user. I have no idea
what they did about it... probably nothing.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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Jen...tel said:
I'm not in the alarm business but

This explains a lot.
You can buy from Bass, I bought an item from him before, and he did a
good job, but you can never say so here cause those in the alarm
business hate him cause he sells direct to us home owners.

Uh, no, he is hated here and elsewhere on USENET because he is, in fact, an
asshole.
I wouldn't
take advice from any of the alarm guys who post here. If you read what
half of them write, they are proof that any "primate" can do their job.
Hell, they are proof that an ass is capable of being an alarm
installer.

Or a phone tech.
js
 
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Doug L

Jan 1, 1970
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He means arsehole, Tom

Doug L

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alarman said:
Uh, no, he is hated here and elsewhere on USENET because he is, in fact,
an
asshole.
 
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Stanley Barthfarkle

Jan 1, 1970
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I wouldn't
take advice from any of the alarm guys who post here. If you read what
half of them write, they are proof that any "primate" can do their job.
Hell, they are proof that an ass is capable of being an alarm
installer.

Jenn


A few of the posters here are childish idiots, just like every other
newsgroup in existence. Yes, any "primate" can install alarm systems (and
many do, as evidenced by high false alarm rates and substandard
workmanship)- but only a qualified professional can do it properly. Unlike
cable tv, LAN, or telephone installation, which are fairly straightforward,
there are numerous environmental, electronic, and application oriented
considerations that, when applied properly, are invisible to the end user.

This is why my alarm system never falses or does anything unexpected-
(unless it eventually happens to develop a problem due to electronics
failure) I know what environmental factors to account for in designing the
system, which equipment & options best suit my particular application &
lifestyle, and some simple but very important electrical/electronic
principles that guide the installation parameters for not just the system at
"rest", but also in every conceivable situation or condition that it might
be called upon to react to.

If you botch your cable tv installation, you can't watch your favorite
program. If you don't install your telephones properly, you might have to
use your cell phone. If you don't install your alarm system properly, (which
is much more than running a wire from point A to point B, in most cases) you
put your life and property at greater risk. That's not to say it "can't" be
done, but someone who advises that "anyone can do it- no problem" is
misleading you and minimizing the risks involved- usually for their own
financial benefit.

If you still think that "any monkey" can install security systems, install
your own, then call your local electrical inspector to have him inspect your
work. If your workmanship passes muster, keep track of your false alarm rate
over a period of time. Make a note every time the system does something
unusual or unsuspected. Keep track of equipment that fails, and when. Then,
come back in a year or so and ask anyone here who holds a NICET level 2 or
higher how your list compares to his personal system's performance, or to
that of his clients.

Good luck.
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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Oye. Thats bad.

A while back I had done a quote for home CCTV, quite extensive system. Gave
the guy my proposal and he calls back the next day and starts quoting prices
out of the ADI catalog, saying that he was not going to allow me to make
"that much money" on the system. He'd called ADI and told them he worked for
me and went by one of the branches and picked up a cat. with prices.
Needless to say I ripped that branch a new asshole...then I told the client
that if he thought it was so easy to install the equipment he could just do
it himself...which he did..or actually he tried. A couple of weeks later he
paid me HOURLY to redo everything he tried to do properly.

Pay me now or pay me more later.


|> I wouldn't send someone who doesn't understand the
| > game though. I have a few clients that I send and they
| > keep their mouths shut. Personally, I buy AC refrigeration
| > and swimming pool parts, car parts etc. wholesale on
| > their accounts we kinda swap favors.
|
| I did have a problem with an ADI branch dealing with a customer
| once. The client ordered a complete system from my online store,
| kept it past the 30-day grace period and then tried to return the
| entire order, claiming "it didn't work."
|
| I asked what parts he wanted to return and he listed, along with
| part numbers he ordered from my online store, several items that
| he got elsewhere. When I saw that I contacted my local branch
| and they investigated the matter for me. They found that a
| Massachusetts branch near him had opened an account for him
| after I allowed him to pick up his order there.
|
| It turned out the customer bought replacements for the entire
| system from ADI *after* installing what he bought from me. I
| told him he could return it to ADI and they would credit his new
| account. My branch manager then called corporate and complained
| about them opening an account for the end user. I have no idea
| what they did about it... probably nothing.
|
| --
|
| Regards,
| Robert L Bass
|
| Bass Burglar Alarms
| The Online DIY Store
| http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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A few of the posters here are childish idiots, just
like every other newsgroup in existence. Yes, any
"primate" can install alarm systems (and many do,
as evidenced by high false alarm rates and
substandard workmanship)...

Agreed so far.
- but only a qualified professional can do it properly.

On that we disagree. Alarm installation isn't rocket science.
There are a few basic principals to properly installing motion
detectors, glass breaks, magnetic contacts and smoke detectors.
With advice from an experienced technician, anyone with a modicum
of tool skills and a bit of patience can do a proper
installation.

The problems with DIY installations are most often associated
with poor quality hardware sold by some vendors (both online and
brick and mortar) and the lack of technical support.
Unlike cable tv, LAN, or telephone installation, which are
fairly straightforward, there are numerous environmental,
electronic, and application oriented considerations that,
when applied properly, are invisible to the end user.

Anything invisible to the end user is likely invisible to a paid
installer as well.
This is why my alarm system never falses or does anything
unexpected- (unless it eventually happens to develop a
problem due to electronics failure) I know what environmental
factors to account for in designing the system, which
equipment & options best suit my particular application &
lifestyle, and some simple but very important electrical/electronic
principles that guide the installation parameters for not just the
system at "rest", but also in every conceivable situation or
condition that it might be called upon to react to.

The reality is that those considerations are mainly determined by
discussing the alarm plan before selecting the equipment and
planning the installation. A good DIY store will employ
experienced technicians who know what questions to ask to help
the client make those assessments.
If you botch your cable tv installation, you can't watch your
favorite program. If you don't install your telephones properly,
you might have to use your cell phone. If you don't install your
alarm system properly, (which is much more than running a
wire from point A to point B, in most cases) you put your life
and property at greater risk...

If you screw up while driving you put yourself and your family at
much greater risk. Yet most Americans choose to DIY rather than
hire a professional driver. Frankly, alarm installation is not a
complex art. There are certain basic questions that must be
answered to determine which system is appropriate, which
detectors will best work in the environment (for example, are
there pets, how many, how active and how large).

A good technician can determine whether the homeowner's needs
will be better suited by a simple, burg only system or a complete
home automation system. Beyond that, running wire from A to B
and physically connecting the components together is simple
enough.

I'll grant you that many DIY projects are not properly supported
and that those installations are subject to greater incidence of
false alarms, as well as possible failure. But when the DIYer is
experienced or has proper technical support from the store where
s/he bought the system false alarms and system failures are less
of a problem than with many alarm companies.

The other side of this coin is that while there are many truly
talented, caring individuals in this trade whose installations
are impeccable, there are also far too many jerks like that moron
from Milford who have zero technical skill and even less concern
for their vict... er, customers' security.

You may be a fine, competent installer and your installations
might employ nothing but the best. Without having seen your work
or heard anything to the contrary, I prefer to assume as much.
But you and I both know the kind of trash work many of these
so-called "authorized dealers" do every day.

We all know that false alarm problems that plague our industry
are, by and large, the result of shoddy professional workmanship
and poor customer training. Since the prospective customer has
no way to know in advance whether the fellow proposing to install
an alarm system is like you or like Milford, he may have a better
chance of getting it right by DIY.
That's not to say it "can't" be done, but someone who advises
that "anyone can do it- no problem" is misleading you and
minimizing the risks involved- usually for their own financial
benefit...

That is patently unfair. The reality is that most people can
indeed install their own alarms and do so effectively and
properly. I might just as easily say that anyone who tells a
customer that the only way to get a proper installation is to
hire a paid technician is misleading them for financial gain.
The truth is that most consumers don't want to DIY -- some
because they haven't the time or inclination and others because
they don't have any tool skills. DIY is probably less than 2% of
the alarm industry marketplace. I wouldn't be surprised to hear
that DIY plumbing and electrical work are a similar proportion.

For those with zero ability to install anything, professional
installation is a good choice as long as they know for certain
the kind of workmanship and support they are going to receive
before signing the contract. For those who can handle a drill
and a few simple tools plus the willingness to learn something
new, DIY is a viable choice.
If you still think that "any monkey" can install security systems...

You are aware, I assume, that monkeys are not the only primates.
I had a good laugh when one particularly obnoxious alarm
installer said here that he didn't like being called a primate.
:^)
install your own, then call your local electrical inspector to
have him inspect your work...

By way of contrast, most professionally installed alarms on
existing homes are not inspected because most alarm companies
don't bother pulling permits unless it's new construction. In
many places this is a violation of law and in some it exposes the
consumer to fines should an inspector see the work later.
If your workmanship passes muster, keep track of your false
alarm rate over a period of time...

If it's anything better than 98% false, the DIY job is better
than the industry standard for professionally installed systems.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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A while back I had done a quote for home CCTV, quite extensive system. Gave
the guy my proposal and he calls back the next day and starts quoting prices
out of the ADI catalog, saying that he was not going to allow me to make
"that much money" on the system. He'd called ADI and told them he worked for
me and went by one of the branches and picked up a cat. with prices.
Needless to say I ripped that branch a new asshole...then I told the client
that if he thought it was so easy to install the equipment he could just do
it himself...which he did..or actually he tried. A couple of weeks later he
paid me HOURLY to redo everything he tried to do properly.

That guy got what he deserved -- not for DIYing the job but for
taking advantage of you and ADI. In this case, one can
understand ADI's error. The guy smooth talked them. At least
they didn't offer to open account for him.

Crash, I don't have anything against installers making a fair
price for their work, their hardware and their knowledge. Guys
like you and I try to give people what they pay for. But if you
stop and look at it carefully, the ones doing most of the whining
here about DIY are the unskilled "professionals" who cheat their
clients, lie to make the sale, do slovenly work and (often) bend
the client over a five-year contract that would do old Slew Foot
proud. The true professionals don't give a rat's Olson about
DIY. They figure that DIY customers are not their market and
concentrate on the 98% who are.

It's the same for me. I have no problem with most people hiring
a pro to do an installation for them. Heck, I occasionally refer
customers to professional installers. I've referred customers to
Jim Rojas on occasion and he made good money doing the work. I
also used to refer people to Worthless until he started behaving
like a fool in the newsgroup.

The point is there are distinct segments of the security
marketplace. Few, if any, companies are equipped to deal with
all of them. Bob Campbell is respected by every technician in
this forum (well, except one moron from Brooklyn with a penchant
for assaulting children with hammers). He tried servicing the
DIY market and for various reasons it didn't work for him. No
problem. I owned a small but modestly successful alarm company
for ~24 years until I sold it. At this stage of life I have zero
interest in starting a new installation business. I'll leave
that to guys like you. :)

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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