Europe is mad, sustances of very high concern

[Raveninghorde]

/vent

I'm trying to place an order on line with Farnell.

I keep seeing that ICs and transistors are covered by SVHC, substances
of very high concern.

I assumed it was something like Beryllium oxide that used to be in
some devices. But no, on investigation the humidity indicator included
as part of the packing has >0.1% Cobalt dichloride.

So check the MSDS and along with the usual crap of what to do if you
got hungry and ate it or decided to rub it in your eyes, or set fire
to it and smoke it, all of which should be covered by a general
disclaiimer of "evolution in action", it has to be disposed of as
special waste. But it can be put in landfill, not that special then.

So another proceedure to put in place so that the production staff
don't commit an offence by throwing a humidity indicator in a bin.

And they wonder why China takes our manufacturing.

Sheesh!

/vent over

 

[Martin Brown]

/vent

I'm trying to place an order on line with Farnell.

I keep seeing that ICs and transistors are covered by SVHC, substances
of very high concern.

I assumed it was something like Beryllium oxide that used to be in
some devices. But no, on investigation the humidity indicator included
as part of the packing has >0.1% Cobalt dichloride.

The legislation on cobalt chloride came in ages ago - about 6 years
since if memory serves after it was realised that the stuff causes
cancer (in common with lots of transition metals). It was considered so
benign in the 1970's that childrens chemistry sets included a tube and
it was a staple "invisible ink". Only truly invisible on pink paper
though. Modern invisible inks for UV will probably be banned before too
long as well - most of them are borderline as suspected mutagens.

So check the MSDS and along with the usual crap of what to do if you
got hungry and ate it or decided to rub it in your eyes, or set fire
to it and smoke it, all of which should be covered by a general
disclaiimer of "evolution in action", it has to be disposed of as
special waste. But it can be put in landfill, not that special then.

So another proceedure to put in place so that the production staff
don't commit an offence by throwing a humidity indicator in a bin.

I agree the legislation has produced bizarre chemophobia, but the
politicians and civil servants don't have the first clue about science
in general so they enact garbage over zealous legislation. It is mainly
a dose makes the poison problem here when used as an indicator, but you
do not want to breathe the dust.

Another pretty good one is that to smoke on a chemical manufacturing
site in theory you should fill in all the paperwork for a hazardous
experiment known to release carcinogens into the atmosphere. Much as I
dislike tobacco smoke I do think this is over reacting. This means many
sites now have a total ban on smoking (not just in flame proof areas).

I even feel a little bit sorry for the huddle of miserable looking sods
frozen cold in their two walled smoking shelters at this time of year.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[qrk]

/vent

I'm trying to place an order on line with Farnell.

I keep seeing that ICs and transistors are covered by SVHC, substances
of very high concern.

I assumed it was something like Beryllium oxide that used to be in
some devices. But no, on investigation the humidity indicator included
as part of the packing has >0.1% Cobalt dichloride.

So check the MSDS and along with the usual crap of what to do if you
got hungry and ate it or decided to rub it in your eyes, or set fire
to it and smoke it, all of which should be covered by a general
disclaiimer of "evolution in action", it has to be disposed of as
special waste. But it can be put in landfill, not that special then.

So another proceedure to put in place so that the production staff
don't commit an offence by throwing a humidity indicator in a bin.

And they wonder why China takes our manufacturing.

Sheesh!

/vent over

Come to California. We have a law where all hazardous substances must
be labeled. Now we are rife with labels, so much so that we ignore the
labels. I'm surprised that tap water doesn't have a hazarous substance
label on it ... "Warning submerging your head for extended periods of
time, consuming more than 4 litres at a sitting, or dropping a
container with more than 3 litres on your head may cause serious
injury or death".

 

[pimpom]

/vent

I'm trying to place an order on line with Farnell.

I keep seeing that ICs and transistors are covered by SVHC,
substances
of very high concern.

I assumed it was something like Beryllium oxide that used to be
in
some devices. But no, on investigation the humidity indicator
included
as part of the packing has >0.1% Cobalt dichloride.

So check the MSDS and along with the usual crap of what to do
if you
got hungry and ate it or decided to rub it in your eyes, or set
fire
to it and smoke it, all of which should be covered by a general
disclaiimer of "evolution in action", it has to be disposed of
as
special waste. But it can be put in landfill, not that special
then.

So another proceedure to put in place so that the production
staff
don't commit an offence by throwing a humidity indicator in a
bin.

And they wonder why China takes our manufacturing.

Sheesh!

There are times when I'm glad I live in a relatively backward
place. We don't bother with things like that - yet.

 

[UltimatePatriot]

---
Yup.

This, I think, is a prime example of "engineering by committee" where
the committee is more intent in legislating than it is on getting it
right in the first place.

JF

Likely the same retarded committee that created RoHS.

The world's scientists had already discovered that our 63/37
formulation for solder was as good as it gets. Perfected, in fact.

Then, some total retard that has no clue that metallic form lead poses
NO hazard, decided that it IS a hazard, and fucked the entire world's
economy with this stupid RoHS horseshit.

Same thing goes for the Mercury freaks and amalgam dental fillings.

Metallic form Mercury is not a hazard either.

Eggs are not the big cholesterol hazard they retards cried about it
being back in the seventies either. They have been proven to be not as
bad for folks as that dope said they were.

The whole world gets manipulated constantly by the utter stupidity of
folks that think they are saving something from us for someone in the
future.

I can solve that. String all those bastards up, and the world will
have been saved from the horseshit that idiots like them stir up, while
also making for a big population hole that helps a little bit with the
other problem the retarded folks on this planet have.

Birth needs to be controlled. Teens getting pregnant needs to cease.
To do that, the goddamned parents of the world needs to keep their
retarded horny fucktards AT HOME.

It is hopeless. There are just too many total retards raising too many
totally retarded kids after their own stupidity.

It is uncertain as to whether we will ever recover from the problems
that the stupid "scientists" of the world are causing for the truly
intelligent among us.

The fact is that the environmentalists and their mechanisms do NOT
perform any real "good works". A perfect example is the famous, old
armored car shop in the "Blue Ash" community of Greater Cincinnati. They
had oil refuse tanks buried behind their facility in the 40's. They cut
"leach holes" in the bottom of the tanks before placing them to save on
refuse removal costs and the period between. That company sold the
property to "Eastern Sheet Metal" and they EPA banged them on the tanks,
and said that a very expensive clean up was REQUIRED. That is when the
litigation between ESM and the armored car company began.

What I want to know is why the EPA does not FORCE the clean up, and
THEN worry about the litigants. This is not an uncommon event. There are
plenty of cut corners all over this country.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

Modern invisible inks for UV will probably be banned before too
long as well - most of them are borderline as suspected mutagens.

Conformal coatings are clear, yet 100% UV reactive. That is how
inspectors can tell if a coating was applied of not.

I do not think it will be going away any time soon.

 

[Sylvia Else]

Come to California. We have a law where all hazardous substances must
be labeled. Now we are rife with labels, so much so that we ignore the
labels. I'm surprised that tap water doesn't have a hazarous substance
label on it ... "Warning submerging your head for extended periods of
time, consuming more than 4 litres at a sitting, or dropping a
container with more than 3 litres on your head may cause serious
injury or death".

You left out trying to drink it in its vapour phase, or dive into it in
it solid phase.

Now, surely there must be something in a label that's hazardous. Those
labels should be labelled.

By the way, see the Penn and Teller's item on getting water banned.

Sylvia.

 

[Fred Abse]

I assumed it was something like Beryllium oxide that used to be in
some devices. But no, on investigation the humidity indicator included
as part of the packing has >0.1% Cobalt dichloride.

We used that as kids at school to make rudimentary humidity indicators
(Blue = damp, pink = dry)

Just painted it on card.

 

[Joerg]

Well, if one wants to be careful, then WATER should have a 100 percent
ban as being an extreme hazard.
It can kill in many ways; for starters one can drown in it, as well
as destroy your tissues if you were out in the desert dehydrated and
drank the stuff.
I is truly a universal solvent; wearing out mountains,dissolving their
contents in the process.
And the more pure it is, the more vigorous it is; making it impossible
to contain it!
Write it up "properly" and some legislature type will write a law
against water (almost happened WRT gravity).

Then people will find a loophole and use this water (Wasser in German)
instead:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsch

Good stuff, but don't drive afterwards.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

We used that as kids at school to make rudimentary humidity indicators
(Blue = damp, pink = dry)

Just painted it on card.

I thought that it (BeO) was heat sink media.

It is so toxic, I find it hard to believe that it was used in paint.

 

[Jaded Hobo]

Well, if one wants to be careful, then WATER should have a 100 percent
ban as being an extreme hazard.
It can kill in many ways; for starters one can drown in it, as well
as destroy your tissues if you were out in the desert dehydrated and
drank the stuff.
I is truly a universal solvent; wearing out mountains,dissolving their
contents in the process.
And the more pure it is, the more vigorous it is; making it impossible
to contain it!
Write it up "properly" and some legislature type will write a law
against water (almost happened WRT gravity).

http://www.dhmo.org/

 

[Raveninghorde]

Darn!
Please give a synopsis for us dial-uppers?

Penn and Teller doing a petition against dihydrogen monoxide

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

I thought that it (BeO) was heat sink media.

It is so toxic, I find it hard to believe that it was used in paint.

It's the Cobalt Dichloride.. concerns seem to be that it appears to be
carcinogen (category 2 = should be regarded as if they are
carcinogenic to humans) as well as being rather poisonous (about 1/25
as poisonous to rats as rat poison).

http://echa.europa.eu/doc/consultations/svhc/svhc_axvrep_france_cmr_cocl2_20083006.pdf

http://www.cmatcl.com/en/15 SVHCs Screening Test Service.pdf


Doesn't look all that bad in small quantities, but things with
carcinogenic or cumulative qualities deserve some care.



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Fred Abse]

I thought that it (BeO) was heat sink media.

It is so toxic, I find it hard to believe that it was used in paint.

Not beryllium oxide, cobalt dichloride.

Even back in the day, they weren't stupid ;-)

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

It's the Cobalt Dichloride.. concerns seem to be that it appears to be
carcinogen (category 2 = should be regarded as if they are
carcinogenic to humans) as well as being rather poisonous (about 1/25
as poisonous to rats as rat poison).

http://echa.europa.eu/doc/consultations/svhc/svhc_axvrep_france_cmr_cocl2_20083006.pdf

http://www.cmatcl.com/en/15 SVHCs Screening Test Service.pdf


Doesn't look all that bad in small quantities, but things with
carcinogenic or cumulative qualities deserve some care.

You must be talking about the paint.

The heat sink media is BeO, and that IS a deadly carcinogen, if
introduced internally.

 

[JosephKK]

Well, if one wants to be careful, then WATER should have a 100
percent ban as being an extreme hazard.
It can kill in many ways; for starters one can drown in it, as well
as destroy your tissues if you were out in the desert dehydrated and
drank the stuff.
I is truly a universal solvent; wearing out mountains,dissolving
their contents in the process.
And the more pure it is, the more vigorous it is; making it
impossible to contain it!
Write it up "properly" and some legislature type will write a law
against water (almost happened WRT gravity).

Reminds me of a party game "AdLibs" (tm) where there was one page for
writing a new law; the concealed object (noun) from the players was "heart"
with hilarious results.

 

[JosephKK]

Then people will find a loophole and use this water (Wasser in German)
instead:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsch

Good stuff, but don't drive afterwards.

Or perhaps "akavit".

 

[JosephKK]

We used that as kids at school to make rudimentary humidity indicators
(Blue = damp, pink = dry)

Just painted it on card.

But you reversed the colors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt(II)_chloride

 

[Fred Abse]

But you reversed the colors.

Senior moment ;-)

'S'obvious, really. It's pink in solution.

It was over half a century ago

 

[Fred Abse]

And so are you!

No quarrel with that ;-)