Utility to burn in new hard drive?

[Rod Speed]

And even in such cases are still not subjected
to the shock levels required to damage them.

Wrong if some monkey drops it when getting out of the
pallet load into what gets sent to the end user, stupid.

If a drive is dropped at the factory, it goes to a different
qualification line for a completely different examination,

Pity about what happens when its dropped outside the factory, cretin.

 

[Phat Bytestard]

Right... and I popped your mother's cherry so the hoods could rape her.

Proof that you are a mere immature adolescent twit.

 

[Phat Bytestard]

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you
have never ever had a fucking clue about the basics of
how mass market commodity drives are shipped, child.

Since I have bought them by the case from more than one maker, I am
certain that I have more of a clue than you ever will.

 

[Phat Bytestard]

Wrong if some monkey drops it when getting out of the
pallet load into what gets sent to the end user, stupid.

You're an idiot. A drive in a box at the store doesn't get "sent to
the end user" from the factory, you retarded twit.

I think you are a line worker at a PC company like Dell. Your
mentality certainly suggests such. You turn the same screws every
day. Hahaah... what a fucking joke you are.

 

[Phat Bytestard]

Pity about what happens when its dropped outside the factory, cretin.

I noticed that you never did answer the question about how many Gs
are placed on an item dropped from 4 feet up.

Guess what, fucktard? It isn't anywhere near 250Gs.

 

[Rod Speed]

Nonsense. At a minimum it would have recorded the bad sector candidates
so that at the first write by the enduser these sectors will be reassigned.

Pathetic, really.

Pity then about your stupid presumption of 'would not'.

No presumption, I assumed thats what you stupidly intended.

You should have said 'may be'.

Pity it wasnt me doing the saying.

 

[Rod Speed]

Since I have bought them by the case from more than one maker,

Easy to claim, child.

I am certain that I have more of a clue than you ever will.

Clearly havent got a clue about what happens to
the drive between the pallet and the end user's table.

 

[Rod Speed]

You're an idiot.

You're a terminal pig ignorant fuckwit.

A drive in a box at the store doesn't get
"sent to the end user" from the factory,

Never ever said it did, cretin.

I think

Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.

you are a line worker at a PC company like Dell.

Guess which pathetic little pig ignorant prat has
just got egg all over its silly little face, yet again ?

<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>

 

[Rod Speed]

I noticed that you never did answer the question about how
many Gs are placed on an item dropped from 4 feet up.

Guess what, fucktard? It isn't anywhere near 250Gs.

Irrelevant to whether that can **** a drive, fuckwit child.

 

[J. Clarke]

Proof that you are a mere immature adolescent twit.

And you have proven that you don't know how the game of "jo mamma" is
played.

 

[Osiris]

Although quite labor intensive.

It is the labour that makes the paranoia subside, not the test
results...

 

[Phat Bytestard]

ISTR Hitachi specified and illustrated the sort of packaging they
considered suitable for drives being sent back as RMAs. Was it
Hitachi?

A package spec to guide a customer on boxing up his return has
absolutely NOTHING to do with the package a drive is shipped from a
maker to the US shores in. Totally unrelated to this thread.

 

[Phat Bytestard]

Yeah, why go there and have a look when you can just babble.

As if you make contributions.

 

[Jon D]

A package spec to guide a customer on boxing up his return has
absolutely NOTHING to do with the package a drive is shipped from a
maker to the US shores in. Totally unrelated to this thread.

Hi there Phat, maybe you feel this branch has nothing to do with the
original thread but I think we are discussing packaging and how poor
packaging may be the cause of early failure. As OP I was concerned that
I may encounter early failure and wanted a way to force its early
appearance before I put data on the drive.

I recall receiving a hard drive from a supposedly reputable supplier in
the UK which was just wrapped several times in bubble wrap and then put
into an ordinary envelope. I am amazed i didn't get premature failure.

OTOH if you see what Hitachi (I think it was) insist on being used for
RMAs then you can see how the last-leg delivery from retailer to
consumer might add to the early failures.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Hi there Phat, maybe you feel this branch has nothing to do with the
original thread but I think we are discussing packaging and how poor
packaging may be the cause of early failure. As OP I was concerned
that I may encounter early failure and wanted a way to force its early
appearance before I put data on the drive.

I recall receiving a hard drive from a supposedly reputable supplier in
the UK which was just wrapped several times in bubble wrap and then put
into an ordinary envelope.

And this was bad exactly why? (That's assuming it was still in it's antistatic bag)

I am amazed i didn't get premature failure.

And why is that?
Retail drives come in plastic containers (clamshells) or in boxes with only
top and bottom place holders. The protection is in that they allow enough
flexing to fully absorb or diminish any shock forces.

A loosely wrapped OEM drive gets exactly that if the drive can move
sufficiently within the layers of bubble wrap.
If this were to be a problem many drives would be returned and that sup-
plier would very quickly stop sending them this way if that were the case.

OTOH if you see what Hitachi (I think it was) insist on being used for
RMAs then you can see how the last-leg delivery from retailer to
consumer might add to the early failures.

Hitachi sends them back in a box with only two softplastic placeholders.
My Seagate RMA's came back in a fully padded box, called a SeaShell.

 

[Rod Speed]

And this was bad exactly why? (That's assuming it was still in it's
antistatic bag)


And why is that?
Retail drives come in plastic containers (clamshells) or in boxes
with only
top and bottom place holders. The protection is in that they allow
enough
flexing to fully absorb or diminish any shock forces.

A loosely wrapped OEM drive gets exactly that if the drive can move
sufficiently within the layers of bubble wrap.
If this were to be a problem many drives would be returned and that
sup-
plier would very quickly stop sending them this way if that were the
case.

Hitachi sends them back in a box with only two softplastic placeholders.
My Seagate RMA's came back in a fully padded box, called a SeaShell.

Whoever was responsible for that name should be publicly flogged and then stoned to dead.

 

[kony]

And this was bad exactly why? (That's assuming it was still in it's antistatic bag)

For one, had the drive been damaged or defective, the
purchaser does not have suitable packaging to return ship
it. One should not have to spend time or money to repack a
product in a way other than it was sent to avoid possible
warranty rejection.

And why is that?
Retail drives come in plastic containers (clamshells) or in boxes with only
top and bottom place holders. The protection is in that they allow enough
flexing to fully absorb or diminish any shock forces.

No, they do not fully absorb, somewhat diminish would be
more appropriate. They are obviously suitable for general
handling, but a lot can happen to a box between manufacturer
and final delivery. Dropping it for example, though
hopefully today's FDB bearing drives are more shock
resistant than the old BB versions.

A loosely wrapped OEM drive gets exactly that if the drive can move
sufficiently within the layers of bubble wrap.

Depends on how much bubble wrap and how well it was wrapped.
I tend to doubt someone mass packing orders is going to take
the utmost care with each and every one. It also means one
more stage of human handling, another potential for it to be
damaged _before_ securely wrapped up.

If this were to be a problem many drives would be returned and that sup-
plier would very quickly stop sending them this way if that were the case.

Not necessarily, if the drive can survive in a working order
but fails prematurely, say 1 year later, only the warrantor
ever realizes it failed and since the warrantor probably
didn't receive it re-wrapped in the same exact packaging,
they wouldn't even know how the seller wrapped it. That is,
unless some HDD manufacturers are now bulk packing with just
bubblewrap but I suspect it would be shells and/or foam
instead.

 

[Joe S]

In my opinion, cross-posting to (alt.engineering.electrical) made
this thread off topic to begin with.

I am talkinh about electrical failure as well as mechanical failure.
I guessed that alt.engineering.electrical knew more than a little
about failure of electronic boards.

A hard drive can fail at any time without warning. The solution is
to keep copies of your data, either in real-time or by
periodic/regular backups.

That's true. But I don't want the backup to be on my new drive if it
is likely to fail! IYSWIM.

 

[Joe S]

You may as well have been asking them for advice about which hard
drive to buy. And of course that would be off-topic too.

I think I know what you mean but I guess you are much more of a martinet
than I am!

Buy a reliable hard drive.

You say "Buy a reliable hard drive" to avoid problems with a backup on a
new drive if it's likely to fail.

What hard drive would you buy which you define as "reliable" such that
it is more reliable than what I might have bought and will not fail in
its early life?

 

[Mike T.]

You say "Buy a reliable hard drive" to avoid problems with a backup on a
new drive if it's likely to fail.

What hard drive would you buy which you define as "reliable" such that
it is more reliable than what I might have bought and will not fail in
its early life?

ALL hard drive manufacturers produce duds here and there. That's why you
will see some people speak out against IBM/Hitachi or Western Digital or
????? Those are the people who got burnt because they were unlucky enough
to buy brand X at a time when brand X was not doing as well as would be
hoped.

But, over the long run, certain brands tend to be the cream of the crop.
Your best bet is to buy Seagate or Western Digital. In fact, buy TWO of
them, maybe one of each brand. Use one to boot off of, and get backup
software to periodically copy everything to the other (or RAID it in a
mirrored setup). Lately, Samsung has been making some pretty darned nice
hard drives, also. But Seagate and WD both have more of a history of
reliability, and are for the most part pretty rock-solid reliable, ignoring
a few duds here and there (just like all brands) -Dave