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Dodg

Jan 1, 1970
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I want to feed the video output from my dvd player to my vcr video input as
well as the video input to my tv. Should I use a video splitter to feed both
or is paralleling to both devices ok?

If a splitter is required can I use a 75ohm tv antenna splitter otherwise
can someone point me to a circuit.... thanks, Don
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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I want to feed the video output from my dvd player to my vcr video input as
well as the video input to my tv. Should I use a video splitter to feed both
or is paralleling to both devices ok?

If a splitter is required can I use a 75ohm tv antenna splitter otherwise
can someone point me to a circuit.... thanks, Don

Read your manuals. I have a JVC wide-screen that allows
"daisy-chaining" by providing a switch that changes the I/O to either
hi-Z or 75 ohms.

...Jim Thompson
 
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Andrew Paule

Jan 1, 1970
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you can buy splitters from all kinds of sources - try digi
 
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Active8

Jan 1, 1970
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I want to feed the video output from my dvd player to my vcr video input as
well as the video input to my tv. Should I use a video splitter to feed both
or is paralleling to both devices ok?

If a splitter is required can I use a 75ohm tv antenna splitter otherwise
can someone point me to a circuit.... thanks, Don
since you say 75ohm, i guess you *don't* mean baseband so the answer is
yes, you *could* use a splitter. you could also use an A/B switch. i
suppose you want to record the DVD on VHS at the same time you are
watching the movie. you also have the antenna/CATV line to deal with so
here's what i'd do barring anything useful you find in the manual as per
Jim's suggestion.

note: CATV is running up to 1GHz in some systems these days (some of
it's for inet and some for digital tier) and i'd watch out for cheap
Radio Shaft splitters if you decide to use a splitter. The frequency
range should be on the label.



.--------------
CATV -- | .---------.
| -o | .----------. | |
| __--o- |---| |------ |
| -o | | VCR | | TV |
| | '----------' | |
DVD --- A/B Switch | | |
'--------------' '---------'
created by Andy´s ASCII-Circuit v1.22.310103 Beta www.tech-chat.de

if you want to watch TV while the movie records, there are some other
creative things you can do with splitters and A/B switches.

note: CATV splitters have a 3.5 dB insertion loss for a 2-way splitter.
3-way splits have 2 -7dB ports and 1 -3.5dB port. 4-ways have 4 -7dB
ports. if you have a splitter installed elsewhere to run multiple
outlets, these losses add up. the *most* signal you'll see at the
pole/pedestal is 20dBmV hi channel ( i just found some end of line notes
from a 750 MHz system (chicago) - EOL readings were from 23dBmV down to
17dBmV on ch. 78 IIRC - don't count on having that much) with less on
the low channel. some systems have maybe 15/10 or even 12/10, so after
adding in cable and passive losses...

RG-6 cable losses per 100ft. would be approx. 1.53dB on ch 3 (USA),
4.9dB ch. 78 (about 550 MHz), 5.65dB ch. 117 (~750 MHz), and 6.55dB at
1GHz (ch. 144 is 912MHz, so i need a new pocket ref :) ) so if you have
only 12/10 at the tap and a 3-way/4-way splitter on the house, you're
running out of signal fast. you'll know when your pix goes to hell after
adding a splitter and a half-assed radio shaft jumper or a fubar'd DIY
F-connector.

BTW, all this dB loss stuff just subtracts from the signal and you
should have 0dBmV min. for a CATV box. older (?) sets were designed to
run from as low as -15dBmV antenna signal, IIRC. i wouldn't expect newer
equip to do that, in fact, the CATV company here has a line terminator
installed on my EOL tap which is a self terminating tap ( the retrofit
was done in-house and those dweebs never stopped to ask themselves why
certain taps have an extra housing port cap). of course, the installer
knows absolutely nothing of line gear, so i have a signal 6dBmV down and
can't even loop thru my VCR without near total loss of pix. i'd bitch
but i plan to move and they can have their stinkin' 2 node system. for
now i'm switching between CATV and VCR with an A/B switch.

hope this helps,
mike
 
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Andrew Paule

Jan 1, 1970
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Yeah - insertion loss!!!!! Why is this never discussed in this
newsgroup (can you say S12/S21). I think he'll do just find with a good
splitter - NOT RADIO SHACK - get an amphenol (or rosenberger if you can
afford it).
 
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maxfoo

Jan 1, 1970
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I want to feed the video output from my dvd player to my vcr video input as
well as the video input to my tv. Should I use a video splitter to feed both
or is paralleling to both devices ok?

If a splitter is required can I use a 75ohm tv antenna splitter otherwise
can someone point me to a circuit.... thanks, Don

Here's a netlist for a 2way and 3way splitter that will work with
isolation better than 30dB. note the 75 ohm resistor is the impedence
of your video device.

Download Ansoft's student version of Ansoft Designer SV to analyze and
view the freq response.
http://www.ansoft.com/ansoftdesignersv/

**********
* LC Wilkinson Power Divider Calculation
********** 63,000,000 Hz
BLK
CAP 1 0 C=47.6E-12F
IND 1 2 L=268.0E-9H
CAP 2 0 C=23.8E-12F
IND 1 3 L=268.0E-9H
CAP 3 0 C=23.8E-12F
RES 2 3 R=150
RES 3 0 R=75
WPD12: 2POR 1 2
ISOL23: 2POR 2 3
END
FREQ
STEP 1HZ 252.0E+6HZ 504.0E+3HZ
END
**********

**********
* LC Wilkinson 3-Way Power Divider Calculation
********** 63,000,000 Hz
BLK
CAP 1 0 C=71.5E-12F
IND 1 2 L=268.0E-9H
CAP 2 0 C=23.8E-12F
IND 1 3 L=268.0E-9H
CAP 3 0 C=23.8E-12F
IND 1 4 L=268.0E-9H
CAP 4 0 C=23.8E-12F
RES 2 5 R=75
RES 3 5 R=75
RES 4 5 R=75
RES 3 0 R=75
RES 4 0 R=75
CAP 5 0 C=5.00E-13F
WPD12: 2POR 1 2
ISOL23: 2POR 2 3
END
FREQ
STEP 1HZ 252.0E+6HZ 504.0E+3HZ
END
**********
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Active8 said:
since you say 75ohm, i guess you *don't* mean baseband so the answer is
yes, you *could* use a splitter.

???

Baseband, or composite video is 75 ohms, as well. if you want to feed
multiple monitors, you need a video distribution amplifier to maintain
the 1V P-P video signal. Look at some of the Maxim video chips
http://www.maximic.com/
<http://para.maxim-ic.com/compare.asp?Fam=Vid_Amp&Tree=AudioVideo&HP=AudioVideo.cfm>
will take you to their video ICs. Select an amp rated to pass the full
video bandwidth you need, and check the related Maxim application notes.

A CATV splitter will not go low enough to pass baseband video, unless
it is just a pair of 75 ohm resistors, which will give a 3 dB loss at
each output. You need a flat frequency response to well under 100 Hz so
you don't lose the Vertical sync.
 
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Active8

Jan 1, 1970
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Yeah - insertion loss!!!!! Why is this never discussed in this
newsgroup (can you say S12/S21). I think he'll do just find with a good
splitter - NOT RADIO SHACK - get an amphenol (or rosenberger if you can
afford it).

er, isn't that S21/S12 as in *gain* which will be less than 1?

i'd name some brands i like, but i'm sure they won't be easy to get in
single unit qtys. OTOH, TCS (TSC?) on Blankenship (Rd/St/Ave) in HOU, TX
sold me a single magazine of Raychem F connectors. $0.64 per connector
back in '90!!! good fittings, too, though.

but you won't catch me using a split only for this app. i'd be stuck
watching the movie while it's recording.

brs,
mike
 
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Active8

Jan 1, 1970
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Here's a netlist for a 2way and 3way splitter that will work with
isolation better than 30dB. note the 75 ohm resistor is the impedence
of your video device.

you mean you stuck that 75 ohm resistor in to simulate the load? if so,
you'd need to do the same thing for node 2 and maybe node 1.

now i know beyond a shadow of a doubt that 2-way CATV splitters (as well
as those sold by mini-circuits) only have 1 150 ohm resistor in them and
the 3-way and higher splits are just cascaded 2-ways. the coils are
wound on little binocular ferrites.

just to corroborate my sometimes less that optimal memory, i looked up
the ol' Wilkinson divider. it *also* has only a single 2*Zo resistor
between ports 2 & 3.

as for your 3-way netlist, my refs show a Zo (source if used as a
splitter) valued R from node 1 to 0 with no cap. i think the caps were
left out of all the schems, but i know they're there in real life. so
that's 1 R you *could* be missing. you're (also) missing a 75 ohm R
between node 2 and ground. my refs show no caps from node 5 to 0, but
again, they show no caps period. actually, 1 ref does show the caps.

now i'm probably missing something as far as how Designer implements the
excitation/stimulus/whatever and it's internal impedance, but those
missing load Rs in your netlist have me confused.

also, when i get around to playing with Designer, it might come in handy
if i know what the lines

WPD12: 2POR 1 2
ISOL23: 2POR 2 3

are for. please elucidate me.

thanks and brs,
mike
 
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Active8

Jan 1, 1970
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i might have surmised as much had i thought about it. never played with
baseband video save patching stuff together.
if you want to feed

This link will give you their Video Buffers, for more drive current.

thanks. i'll note that for future ref.
naturally.

IIRC, you're the in-house CATV guy i (possibly mistakenly) called cable
dog, right?

brs,
mike
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Active8 said:
i might have surmised as much had i thought about it. never played with
baseband video save patching stuff together.
if you want to feed

This link will give you their Video Buffers, for more drive current.

thanks. i'll note that for future ref.
naturally.

IIRC, you're the in-house CATV guy i (possibly mistakenly) called cable
dog, right?

brs,
mike
No, I worked for United Video at their Cincinnati, Ohio office. I
designed, built, and maintained CATV headends and distribution systems.
I also designed system interconnects between different CATV systems. In
between, the in house shop repaired forward and reverse line amps, and
bridger amps, converters, test equipment, and monitored the quality of
passives purchased for the entire MSO.

The regular cable crew did the grunt work.

I have worked as a broadcast engineer at three TV stations, and have
built, modified and redesigned a lot of equipment to return it to
service because parts were NLA, or to upgrade the capabilities.
 
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Active8

Jan 1, 1970
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[might as well snip this, too]
not needed on nodes 1 and 2 because the software loads it the the
correct impedance. that's what the label 'wpd12:2POR 1 2' means.

req 1
not needed on nodes 1 and 2 because the simulator loads the correct
impedance. that's what the label 'wpd12:2POR 1 2' means.

req 2
to measure the isolation between ports 2 and 3 you will need to
terminate port 1 with a 75 ohm resistor.

but you terminated node 3, not node 1. i think i see what's up here.
Use common sense man, terminate any unused ports...

no shit, man. you've got one port of a 2 way (node 3) terminated. you
said 2 ports (node 1&2) are loaded by 'wpd12:2POR 1 2'. so 'wpd12:2POR 1
2' satisfies req 1 and req 2, leaving node 3 unterminated so you put an
R there.

the explanation of the lable cleared that up for me.

so now i'll probably comprende` what you did with the 3-way. i knew
there was a good reason to ask about the labels.
read the manual on ansoft designer.

what manual? no... just kidding

sure, as soon as i need the app. forgive me for 1. pointing out what i
thought might have been an honest error (people do whip out quick hand
written netlists) and 2. asking for clarification on a short netlist
before reading... how many pages am i in for? i'll find out.

see if you put your snips back in:
*********
now i'm probably missing something as far as how Designer implements the
excitation/stimulus/whatever and it's internal impedance, but those
missing load Rs in your netlist have me confused.

also, when i get around to playing with Designer, it might come in handy
if i know what the lines

WPD12: 2POR 1 2
ISOL23: 2POR 2 3

are for. please elucidate me.
***************
you might surmise why i though it best to ask while you were here before
i one day read a (big?) manual that may or may not be as lame as the
PSpice refs. i guess i've been around the block enough times to know to
ask when i have a chance rather than be stuck later.

have a nice day,
mike
 
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