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jtaylor

Jan 1, 1970
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Any thought from the group on if/how a gadget to fry the internals of RFID
tags could be made?
 
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Rene Tschaggelar

Jan 1, 1970
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jtaylor said:
Any thought from the group on if/how a gadget to fry the internals of RFID
tags could be made?

Your microwave oven ?

Rene
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Any thought from the group on if/how a gadget to fry the internals of RFID
tags could be made?

Would anyone with half a brain tell you ?:)

...Jim Thompson
 
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Tim Auton

Jan 1, 1970
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jtaylor said:
Any thought from the group on if/how a gadget to fry the internals of RFID
tags could be made?

An adequate quantity of fissile material explosively brought together
a couple of hundred kilometres above the target ought to do the trick.


Tim
 
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Genome

Jan 1, 1970
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| Any thought from the group on if/how a gadget to fry the internals of
RFID
| tags could be made?
|

Yes..... you go to the checkout..... pay some money and things are
basically sorted.

Now kindly **** off.

DNA
 
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Jim Yanik

Jan 1, 1970
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An adequate quantity of fissile material explosively brought together
a couple of hundred kilometres above the target ought to do the trick.


Tim

Well,it IS possible to create a smaller EMP footprint with a small
conventional explosion,too. But he might get mistaken for a homicide
bomber/terrorist.(what's left of him) B-)
 
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Guy Macon

Jan 1, 1970
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jtaylor said:
Any thought from the group on if/how a gadget to fry the
internals of RFID tags could be made?

The special ink they use in the new $20 bills blocks the tag.

Just wrap the RFID tag in a $20 bill with a rubber band, then
hide the item in your pants and walk through the store's detector.

Let me know how my technique works out for you.
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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Genome said:
| Any thought from the group on if/how a gadget to fry the internals of
RFID
| tags could be made?
|

Yes..... you go to the checkout..... pay some money and things are
basically sorted.

Now kindly **** off.

Why? The OP may have a valid concern. Unlike the anti theft tags in use
today, RFID tags will remain active long after you have purchased your
merchandise. If these tags are embedded in the goods themselves (rather
than in the packaging or price tag) there is the possibility that you
can be tracked by the serial numbers in the tags that you will be
carrying.

Frying RFID tags is probably not the best approach. Build a scanner that
will detect and locate them and then simply remove (or disable) them
manually.

A company that I used to work for went to RFID badges. So we started a
rumor that they would be installing RFID scanners in the rest rooms and
providing reports to management on the rest room usage per employee.
Management went into panic damage control mode and actually put out a
memo stating that they had no plans at present to do such a thing. ;-)
 
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Genome

Jan 1, 1970
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| Genome wrote:
| >
| > | > | Any thought from the group on if/how a gadget to fry the internals
of
| > RFID
| > | tags could be made?
| > |
| >
| > Yes..... you go to the checkout..... pay some money and things are
| > basically sorted.
| >
| > Now kindly **** off.
|
| Why? The OP may have a valid concern. Unlike the anti theft tags in
use
| today, RFID tags will remain active long after you have purchased your
| merchandise. If these tags are embedded in the goods themselves
(rather
| than in the packaging or price tag) there is the possibility that you
| can be tracked by the serial numbers in the tags that you will be
| carrying.
|
| Frying RFID tags is probably not the best approach. Build a scanner
that
| will detect and locate them and then simply remove (or disable) them
| manually.
|
| A company that I used to work for went to RFID badges. So we started a
| rumor that they would be installing RFID scanners in the rest rooms
and
| providing reports to management on the rest room usage per employee.
| Management went into panic damage control mode and actually put out a
| memo stating that they had no plans at present to do such a thing. ;-)
|
| --
| Paul Hovnanian mailto:p[email protected]
| note to spammers: a Washington State resident
| ------------------------------------------------------------------
| Ask not for whom the <CONTROL-G> tolls.

Yes, but the downpipe from the gutter still has to be a basically
vertical structure and it can and will cause problems for the onion
harvester.

DNA
 
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Luhan Monat

Jan 1, 1970
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jtaylor said:
Any thought from the group on if/how a gadget to fry the internals of RFID
tags could be made?
Have you tried 'alt.cooking.electronics'????
 
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Active8

Jan 1, 1970
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Well,it IS possible to create a smaller EMP footprint with a small
conventional explosion,too. But he might get mistaken for a homicide
bomber/terrorist.(what's left of him) B-)

How do you get EMP from conventional munitions?
 
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Active8

Jan 1, 1970
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Why? The OP may have a valid concern. Unlike the anti theft tags in use
today, RFID tags will remain active long after you have purchased your
merchandise. If these tags are embedded in the goods themselves (rather
than in the packaging or price tag) there is the possibility that you
can be tracked by the serial numbers in the tags that you will be
carrying.

Right. Just because you're paranoid, that doesn't mean they're not
watching you.
Frying RFID tags is probably not the best approach. Build a scanner that
will detect and locate them and then simply remove (or disable) them
manually.

A company that I used to work for went to RFID badges. So we started a
rumor that they would be installing RFID scanners in the rest rooms and
providing reports to management on the rest room usage per employee.
Management went into panic damage control mode and actually put out a
memo stating that they had no plans at present to do such a thing. ;-)

I think the title of the book is "Tower of Secrets", a non-fiction
work by an ex-KGB 9th directorate (?) - crpto, etc. - ociffer. He
wrote that when the ruskie cops started using radar for speed traps,
he and/or his friend(s) started asking the traffic cops, "You
actually use that thing? It'll make you sterile."

No more problem.
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Goodness, I never thought you-all would
a) jump to a conclusion I did not forsee
b) do a) in such a caustic manner

I have no problem paying for stuff; I just don't like people I don't know
watching what I buy/look at/carry around/wear/etcetera.
[snip]

Just because you're paranoid does not mean they're not out to get you
;-)

...Jim Thompson
 
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jtaylor

Jan 1, 1970
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jtaylor said:
Any thought from the group on if/how a gadget to fry the internals of RFID
tags could be made?

Goodness, I never thought you-all would
a) jump to a conclusion I did not forsee
b) do a) in such a caustic manner

I have no problem paying for stuff; I just don't like people I don't know
watching what I buy/look at/carry around/wear/etcetera.

Don't use "loyalty" cards either.

Was microwave oven a joke or a reasonable suggestion? Obviously wouldn't
work for some articles...other possibilities?

Physical removal could be a problem in something that was, say, moulded
plastic, like a shoe.

Perhaps just detecting the damm things might be half the battle - with the
big corps interested in these it's not unforseeable that some might not
mention that the shoes/jeans/umbrella/wallet/purse/etcetera etcetera happen
to have a tag hidden it.
 
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Jeff Liebermann

Jan 1, 1970
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Any thought from the group on if/how a gadget to fry the internals of RFID
tags could be made?

A blow torch might work. The only problem is that you might also fry
whatever merchandise the RFID tag is attached. If you wanna do it
electronically, you end up frying the merchandise anyway.

You're also making the assumption that the RFID tag will somehow be
attached externally to the package. That's a bad assumption as
manufactories are working to incorporate such tags into the product.
 
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Jim Yanik

Jan 1, 1970
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SNIP
Compress a coil with a high current flowing through it.

Wim

Well,it has to be rapidly compressed,that's why they use explosives.
The EMP is a small,localized one.
 
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Jim Yanik

Jan 1, 1970
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Why? The OP may have a valid concern. Unlike the anti theft tags in use
today, RFID tags will remain active long after you have purchased your
merchandise. If these tags are embedded in the goods themselves (rather
than in the packaging or price tag) there is the possibility that you
can be tracked by the serial numbers in the tags that you will be
carrying.

Frying RFID tags is probably not the best approach. Build a scanner that
will detect and locate them and then simply remove (or disable) them
manually.

A company that I used to work for went to RFID badges. So we started a
rumor that they would be installing RFID scanners in the rest rooms and
providing reports to management on the rest room usage per employee.
Management went into panic damage control mode and actually put out a
memo stating that they had no plans at present to do such a thing. ;-)

Well,since they are *RF* id tags,placing them inside a foil pouch will
shield them from the energizing RF field and prevent them from transmitting
any response.
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Well,since they are *RF* id tags,placing them inside a foil pouch will
shield them from the energizing RF field and prevent them from transmitting
any response.

That'll work until they scan your badge to authorize admittance to the
restroom. ;-)
 
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legg

Jan 1, 1970
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Any thought from the group on if/how a gadget to fry the internals of RFID
tags could be made?

Mine broke from normal use.

It's all kibble. Buy less stuff.

RL
 
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