How to connect this strain gauge?

[bertus]

Hello,

Is the current for the complete sensor or for one section?
If it is for the complete sensor, the max voltage would be 25 mA X 120 Ohms = 3 Volts.
I found a couple of sites for the sensor, but no specs are given:

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sensor-con.en.alibaba.com

https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005003595693046.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2nld#nav-specification

They are typical chinese sites whit hardly any info.

Bertus

 

[danadak]

No, I missed the module link. That module has a negative supply generator
on the board, and an opamp to do the offset.

All you do is connect the sensor to module, and adjust the G and Offset pots to get
the 0 - 5V (or 3.3V) range for the Arduino input.

Keep in mind the pots will interact in output V as you are changing the slope and offset
of the AD620 output.

So to get output swing of ~ 5V you need a supply of ~ 9V or more. Because of the AD620 output
swing limitations, ~ 2V off each rail.

With current limit of sensor 25 mA, if connected to 9V, then I = 9 / 240 ohms (2 sections in series ....?)
hence 37 mA. So connect - power lead in to ground, + to a R to limit current to 25 mA, other
side to 9V. So R = 9 / .025 = 360 ohms. So R = 360 ohms - 240 ohms = 120 ohms. Maybe use
some margin and make R + 120% = ~ 140 ohms.

As a caution as you are working this out use a series R from module output to Arduino input, say
4.7K, in case you overdrive it while adjusting pots. Over drive means above its + supply
or below ground, by ~ .5V. This will limit current and prevent damage to Arduino.



Regards, Dana.

 

[kusspuss]

Hello,

Is the current for the complete sensor or for one section?
If it is for the complete sensor, the max voltage would be 25 mA X 120 Ohms = 3 Volts.
I found a couple of sites for the sensor, but no specs are given:

Bf120 Bf350 Bf1000 3eb Full Bridge Strain Gage Price - Buy Full Bridge Strain Gage,Bf1000 3eb Full Bridge Strain Gage,Bf350 3eb Full Bridge Strain Gage Product on Alibaba.com

Bf120 Bf350 Bf1000 3eb Full Bridge Strain Gage Price - Buy Full Bridge Strain Gage,Bf1000 3eb Full Bridge Strain Gage,Bf350 3eb Full Bridge Strain Gage Product on Alibaba.com

sensor-con.en.alibaba.com

https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005003595693046.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2nld#nav-specification

They are typical chinese sites whit hardly any info.

Bertus

Yes 25mA for complete bridge , so i need 3V to supply , i have voltage regulator of 3-24V so how can i suppl power to it

 

[kusspuss]

No, I missed the module link. That module has a negative supply generator
on the board, and an opamp to do the offset.

All you do is connect the sensor to module, and adjust the G and Offset pots to get
the 0 - 5V (or 3.3V) range for the Arduino input.

Keep in mind the pots will interact in output V as you are changing the slope and offset
of the AD620 output.

So to get output swing of ~ 5V you need a supply of ~ 9V or more. Because of the AD620 output
swing limitations, ~ 2V off each rail.

With current limit of sensor 25 mA, if connected to 9V, then I = 9 / 240 ohms (2 sections in series ....?)
hence 37 mA. So connect - power lead in to ground, + to a R to limit current to 25 mA, other
side to 9V. So R = 9 / .025 = 360 ohms. So R = 360 ohms - 240 ohms = 120 ohms. Maybe use
some margin and make R + 120% = ~ 140 ohms.

As a caution as you are working this out use a series R from module output to Arduino input, say
4.7K, in case you overdrive it while adjusting pots. Over drive means above its + supply
or below ground, by ~ .5V. This will limit current and prevent damage to Arduino.

View attachment 60425

Regards, Dana.

thank you for reply
as you mentioned
" So to get output swing of ~ 5V you need a supply of ~ 9V or more. Because of the AD620 output
swing limitations, ~ 2V off each rail.
With current limit of sensor 25 mA, if connected to 9V, then I = 9 / 240 ohms (2 sections in series ....?)
hence 37 mA. So connect - power lead in to ground, + to a R to limit current to 25 mA, other
side to 9V. So R = 9 / .025 = 360 ohms. So R = 360 ohms - 240 ohms = 120 ohms. Maybe use
some margin and make R + 120% = ~ 140 ohms."

please can i have little more explaanation how to seteup the resistors ( i have 120 ohm resistors)

 

[bertus]

Hello,

You could put an 120 Ohms resistor in each power line of the bridge:

Then you can use 9 Volts max on the circuit.

Bertus

 

[kusspuss]

Hello,

You could put an 120 Ohms resistor in each power line of the bridge:
View attachment 60426
Then you can use 9 Volts max on the circuit.

Bertus

please can you check this

 

[bertus]

Hello,

The outer resistors are not connected to the bridge.
I have "shifted" the resistors:


Bertus

 

[kusspuss]

Hello,

The outer resistors are not connected to the bridge.
I have "shifted" the resistors:
View attachment 60428

Bertus

i made one big mistake in my previous diagram , please can you check this

 

[bertus]

Hello,

In your set-up the strain gauge will get no power.
In my schematic the 4 resistors in a diamand are the gauge.
There is a resistor from Vin to the P+ of the gauge and a resistor from the P- to ground.


Bertus

 

[kusspuss]

Hello,

In your set-up the strain gauge will get no power.
In my schematic the 4 resistors in a diamand are the gauge.
There is a resistor from Vin to the P+ of the gauge and a resistor from the P- to ground.
View attachment 60430

Bertus

thank you for reply, i am very much confused that do i need external resistors (120 ohm) to make wheatstone bridge on breadboard , i am really much confused, stuck that how can i connect this strain gauge to breadboard

 

[bertus]

Hello,

The straingauge IS the wheatstonebridge.
You do NOT need to make one on the breadboard.

Bertus

 

[kusspuss]

Hello,

The straingauge IS the wheatstonebridge.
You do NOT need to make one on the breadboard.

Bertus

thank you for reply , please can you see this

 

[bertus]

Hello,

Yes, that should be correct.
That way the sensor can be used upto 9 Volts.

Bertus

 

[kusspuss]

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Hello,

Yes, that should be correct.
That way the sensor can be used upto 9 Volts.

Bertus

thank you very much , i have question can i supply only 3V to resistors and 5V to AD620 , i have two voltage adapters separately , have tried to see output values from AD620 using DMM , the values in mv jumping alot

DMM reading

 

[danadak]

i have question can i supply only 3V to resistors and 5V to AD620

Short answer is NO, you wont have enough range to make as good solution. The range
would only be ~ 1V due to the limited output swing of the AD620 running off 5V.

But the Arduino can switch its reference to ~ 1V, so a design could be done, but more
design and simulation work has to be done. I would advise staying with 9V.

There are micros out there that can do this all in 1 chip but you would have to be
experienced developer to do it. Keep this in your back pocket for the future. Its
an SOC (System on Chip), contains a ton of stuff including analog.

Here I show single chip, bridge driven by a onchip current source to give it regulated
power, and a 16 bit onchip A/D to do the measurmenrt, +/- 1V range, or 2 uV resolution
(I used amp in a/d front end with a G = 8.

So you dont need the AD620 or opamp amps, just this chip. I show it supports a character LCD
with I2C interface, and USBUART in case you want to talk to a PC with it. Also all onchip.



You can see in right hand window most of chip resouces left to do other stuff. Food for
thought for future work.....

Other stuff onchip, multiple copies in many cases :



Regards, Dana.

 

[kusspuss]

Short answer is NO, you wont have enough range to make as good solution. The range
would only be ~ 1V due to the limited output swing of the AD620 running off 5V.

But the Arduino can switch its reference to ~ 1V, so a design could be done, but more
design and simulation work has to be done. I would advise staying with 9V.


Regards, Dana.

so the both AD620 and strain gauge i have to supply 9V

 

[danadak]

Your jumping values, do you have a scope ? I suspect what you see is the power
supply noise from the adapter. With a scope on infinite persistence you can see what
pk-pk noise is on a power supply rail. 100 - 200 mV of noise OK in a 5V system, most
designs. Depends on what you are doing.


Regards, Dana.

 

[kusspuss]

Your jumping values, do you have a scope ? I suspect what you see is the power
supply noise from the adapter. With a scope on infinite persistence you can see what
pk-pk noise is on a power supply rail.

Regards, Dana.

i am not sure i can find or not here , but the values are jumping a lot , never stable , please need your guide to solve this jumping values

this device?

 

[danadak]

so the both AD620 and strain gauge i have to supply 9V

I would run the strain gauge off 5V, the AD620 off 9V. That would put
40 mA thru strain gauge, what was the max allowed current ?

If thats too much current power off 9V with a series R to limit current
to spec. Or use a low voltage zener. This all has to be simed out to see
what range you get into A/D. Ideally A/D would see 0 - 5V or something
like that. Depends on how unbalanced the starin gauge is in application.

Is your Arduino running off 3.3 or 5V ?


Regards, Dana.

 

[kusspuss]

Your jumping values, do you have a scope ? I suspect what you see is the power
supply noise from the adapter. With a scope on infinite persistence you can see what
pk-pk noise is on a power supply rail. 100 - 200 mV of noise OK in a 5V system, most
designs. Depends on what you are doing.

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Regards, Dana.

i have this device here