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Rich The Philosophizer
- Jan 1, 1970
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Musta been somebody smoking, even though they have all them signsWatson said:Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
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There is a small problem with set theory here Rich; also your choice
of
words leaves something to be desired - for your assertion to hold,
smoking would need to be the ONLY cause for cancer. Best not to
think
about Benzene (hey, isnt that in cigarette smoke?), xylene, toluene
etc.
No, it is benzpyrene. AFAICT, all those couldn't exist in the smoke
because they would've been burned up in the combustion.
http://www.online-medical-dictionary.org/3,4-Benzpyrene.asp?q=3,4-Benz
pyrene
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I'll give you a hint:
"for your assertion to hold, smoking would need to be the ONLY cause
for
cancer. Best not to think about Benzene, Xylene or Toluene"
All of which are carcinogens we encounter daily (its in unleaded
petrol), in direct contradiction to the requirement for smoking to be
the ONLY cause of cancer. Likewise we probably better ignore
ultraviolet
radiation - skin cancer etc etc.
Although you are quite correct that none of the 3 would survive in
cigarette smoke as they are highly flammable. I just seemed to
remember
reading something about benzene-like nasties in cigarette smoke, hence
the aside which perhaps obfuscated the sentence, but thanks for the
info.
Cheers
Terry
Sorry about the confusion.
Benzine is a carcinogen according to the gov't.
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts3.html
However, this is what the gov't has to say about xylene:
<<
How likely are xylenes to cause cancer?
The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has determined
that xylene is not classifiable as to its carcinogenicity in humans.
Human and animal studies have not shown xylene to be carcinogenic, but
these studies are not conclusive and do not provide enough information
to conclude that xylene does not cause cancer.
This is what the gov't has to say about toluene:
<<
How likely is toluene to cause cancer?
Studies in humans and animals generally indicate that toluene does not
cause cancer.
The EPA has determined that the carcinogenicity of toluene can not be
classified.
Perhaps I am mistaken re. Xylene and Toluene, but perhaps not. But I
knew Benzene was a nasty one. IMO all evil hydrocarbon solvents are to
be avoided - we are hydrocarbons .
I mentioned it here a while back, but in the late 70s a friend of mine
did a study for the NZ military on the effects of radar installations on
health. They looked at the medical history of pretty much the whole
military, and found no correlation at all to radar proximity. OTOH they
found that armourers didnt make it past 65, and painters fared little
better. Johns conclusion? Bugger the RF, stay the hell away from nasty
chemicals.
Almost every day we are discovering work-related illnesses - almost all
of which involve people handling nasty chemicals (hell, often with no
PPE at all, workers saturated in evil shit like DDT or 2,4,5T).
And of course recent studies have shown a HUGE increase in Leukaemia for
kids who live next door to petrol stations - 5x or so.
an' shit.
Thanks!
Rich