Wire prices

[Frank Olson]

In this case it's a code issue. The Canadian electrical code

<snip>

So you're wrong (again). And instead of being "man enough" to admit it
you couch your mistake in a bunch of insults and continue to repeat your
lies.

Where do I work, Robert? What's the name of my "employer"?

Proof, Bobby, Proof!

Put up or shut up.

 

[Robert L Bass]

Bass dug up Nixon and uses

the skull as a urinal...

No fair. You peeked.

 

[Crash Gordon]

For ceiling fixtures like ceiling fans, just in case you grab onto a fan
blade when you get out of the shower and have a ground wire tangled around
your feet.


| Probably, but there are still a lot of the old ones out there.
|
| You're not grounding the box of course, it's just a terminal to land the
| ground wire, and maybe do some good in certain circumstances. I haven't
seen
| in on the single gang boxes, but the round ones have it. Must be a
lighting
| fixture thing. I've seen that skinny little ground tail on the fixture
break
| off, or even slip out of the wire nut.
|
| js
|
| | > In which case grounding the box will still make no sense...better to
| > replace
| > the old device with a grounding lug...they cost under a buck for the
cheap
| > ones... under 2 bucks for the good ones.
| >
| >
| > | > | Maybe in case you have an older switch without a ground lug, or a
| > fixture
| > | with a broken or missing grounding tail. Redundancy?
| > | js
| > |
| > | | > | > You guys are missing the point. The device (switch/outlet) is
already
| > | > grounded by the ground wire from the supply line. Unless, they use
| > very
| > | > different wire in Canada...why would you want to connect a plastic
box
| > to
| > | > the ground??? The device is grounded, the box is plastic, the cover
| > plate
| > | > is
| > | > plastic...what exactly are you grounding ???
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > |I imagine the purpose isn't to "ground" the box, but to try to
ensure
| > the
| > | > | ground is passed through to the device being mounted on the box.
The
| > | > ground
| > | > | lug appears to be tied to the device mounting screw sockets, any
| > device
| > | > | mounted to the box will be grounded. It may also be to try to
ensure
| > the
| > | > | ground continuity to devices further down the circuit, who knows,
| > but
| > a
| > | > | quick google seems to confirm that it is a requirement of the
| > Canadian
| > | > | Electrical Code.
| > | > |
| > | > | This is from a document on Carlon's website.
| > | > |
| > | > | Canadian Applications: Per Canadian electric code, a separate
| > bonding
| > | > | connection is required in nonmetallic electrical boxes. Utilize
| > | > Grounding
| > | > | Lug (Fig. 11) and green Ground Screw provided with Yoke.
| > | > | http://www.carlon.com/Installation_Training/IT-IS125.pdf
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | Doug
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | > uh, ok...enlighten me how grounding a PLASTIC box (or any other
| > | > | > non-conducting object) will protect me (or) you from being
zapped.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | you never took time to understand why there are so much law
for
| > | > | > electrical
| > | > | > | wiring..
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | all of this is to protect you,and everyone else of being
zapped
| > by
| > a
| > | > | > faulty
| > | > | > | electric device....
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <[email protected]> a écrit dans
le
| > | > message
| > | > | > de
| > | > | > | [email protected]...
| > | > | > | >I saw I read, never see anything like that before....and I
| > still
| > | > think
| > | > | > it's
| > | > | > | > silly.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| >
http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums/Boxes and Covers/boxes_11_eng.pdf
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | go read
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <[email protected]> a écrit
| > dans
| > le
| > | > | > message
| > | > | > | > de
| > | > | > | > | [email protected]...
| > | > | > | > | > all that stuff is already grounded, to ground a plastic
| > box
| > is
| > | > | > just
| > | > | > | > plain
| > | > | > | > | > silly.
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | Olson is right,even if you use plastic box,you need to
| > put
| > a
| > | > | > ground
| > | > | > | > in
| > | > | > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > | grounding lug...
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | you must be asking why, a so crazy thing..
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | its because,even if you use plastic box the ground
wire
| > need
| > | > to
| > | > | > | > connect
| > | > | > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > | > | every metallic part of an electric system,that is not
| > | > carrying
| > | > | > | > power,so
| > | > | > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > | metal on a switch,or an electric plug,or on a metal
| > cover
| > on
| > | > the
| > | > | > | > plastic
| > | > | > | > | > | box, they all need to be grounded,its the damn code
that
| > say
| > | > it
| > | > | > | > must,so
| > | > | > | > | > by
| > | > | > | > | > | putting a ground lug,that connects to the hole where
you
| > | > screw
| > | > | > your
| > | > | > | > | > device
| > | > | > | > | > | or plate on the plastic box you respect the code,the
| > ground
| > | > wire
| > | > | > is
| > | > | > | > | > there
| > | > | > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > | > | protect your life,not to just help copper wire company
| > sell
| > | > more
| > | > | > | > | > wire....But
| > | > | > | > | > | if its your life,just yours,not any other,I would be
in
| > | > favour
| > | > | > of
| > | > | > | > not
| > | > | > | > | > | putting any ground wire to any electrical system that
| > you
| > | > could
| > | > | > | > | > touch....
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | I you would have a minimum understanding of any
| > electrical
| > | > code
| > | > | > you
| > | > | > | > | > would
| > | > | > | > | > | know that...
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | "Robert L Bass" <[email protected]> a écrit dans
| > le
| > | > | > message
| > | > | > de
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | [email protected]...
| > | > | > | > | > | >> Grounding a plastic back box?
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > It's another olsonism, like levitating ladders and
| > | > | > snap-rolling
| > | > | > | > 737's.
| > | > | > | > | > | > He's got a million of them (they're all lies, of
| > course).
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | >> Let me see, how did that song go?
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > O-l-s-o-n....
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > |
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| >
| >
|
|

 

[alarman]

Funny you should mention that. That very thing happened to Mark Leuck's
uncle. The shock didn't kill him, but he fell and hit his head on a Moose
Z-1100 that happened to be nearby. Now if that box had been grounded,
well.....who knows??
js

 

[Frank Olson]

Funny you should mention that. That very thing happened to Mark Leuck's
uncle. The shock didn't kill him, but he fell and hit his head on a Moose
Z-1100 that happened to be nearby. Now if that box had been grounded,
well.....who knows??
js

Did the Z-1100 survive?

 

[Crash Gordon]

I'm working on a device to ground the water coming out of the shower
faucet...better safe than sorry.


| Funny you should mention that. That very thing happened to Mark Leuck's
| uncle. The shock didn't kill him, but he fell and hit his head on a Moose
| Z-1100 that happened to be nearby. Now if that box had been grounded,
| well.....who knows??
| js
|
| | > For ceiling fixtures like ceiling fans, just in case you grab onto a fan
| > blade when you get out of the shower and have a ground wire tangled
around
| > your feet.
| >
| >
| > | > | Probably, but there are still a lot of the old ones out there.
| > |
| > | You're not grounding the box of course, it's just a terminal to land
the
| > | ground wire, and maybe do some good in certain circumstances. I
haven't
| > seen
| > | in on the single gang boxes, but the round ones have it. Must be a
| > lighting
| > | fixture thing. I've seen that skinny little ground tail on the fixture
| > break
| > | off, or even slip out of the wire nut.
| > |
| > | js
| > |
| > | | > | > In which case grounding the box will still make no sense...better to
| > | > replace
| > | > the old device with a grounding lug...they cost under a buck for the
| > cheap
| > | > ones... under 2 bucks for the good ones.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Maybe in case you have an older switch without a ground lug, or a
| > | > fixture
| > | > | with a broken or missing grounding tail. Redundancy?
| > | > | js
| > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | > You guys are missing the point. The device (switch/outlet) is
| > already
| > | > | > grounded by the ground wire from the supply line. Unless, they
use
| > | > very
| > | > | > different wire in Canada...why would you want to connect a
plastic
| > box
| > | > to
| > | > | > the ground??? The device is grounded, the box is plastic, the
| > cover
| > | > plate
| > | > | > is
| > | > | > plastic...what exactly are you grounding ???
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > |I imagine the purpose isn't to "ground" the box, but to try to
| > ensure
| > | > the
| > | > | > | ground is passed through to the device being mounted on the
box.
| > The
| > | > | > ground
| > | > | > | lug appears to be tied to the device mounting screw sockets,
any
| > | > device
| > | > | > | mounted to the box will be grounded. It may also be to try to
| > ensure
| > | > the
| > | > | > | ground continuity to devices further down the circuit, who
| > knows,
| > | > but
| > | > a
| > | > | > | quick google seems to confirm that it is a requirement of the
| > | > Canadian
| > | > | > | Electrical Code.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | This is from a document on Carlon's website.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Canadian Applications: Per Canadian electric code, a separate
| > | > bonding
| > | > | > | connection is required in nonmetallic electrical boxes.
Utilize
| > | > | > Grounding
| > | > | > | Lug (Fig. 11) and green Ground Screw provided with Yoke.
| > | > | > | http://www.carlon.com/Installation_Training/IT-IS125.pdf
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Doug
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > message
| > | > | > | | > | > | > | > uh, ok...enlighten me how grounding a PLASTIC box (or any
| > other
| > | > | > | > non-conducting object) will protect me (or) you from being
| > zapped.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | you never took time to understand why there are so much
law
| > for
| > | > | > | > electrical
| > | > | > | > | wiring..
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | all of this is to protect you,and everyone else of being
| > zapped
| > | > by
| > | > a
| > | > | > | > faulty
| > | > | > | > | electric device....
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <[email protected]> a écrit
| > dans
| > le
| > | > | > message
| > | > | > | > de
| > | > | > | > | [email protected]...
| > | > | > | > | >I saw I read, never see anything like that before....and
I
| > | > still
| > | > | > think
| > | > | > | > it's
| > | > | > | > | > silly.
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| >
http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums/Boxes and Covers/boxes_11_eng.pdf
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | go read
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <[email protected]> a
écrit
| > | > dans
| > | > le
| > | > | > | > message
| > | > | > | > | > de
| > | > | > | > | > | [email protected]...
| > | > | > | > | > | > all that stuff is already grounded, to ground a
| > plastic
| > | > box
| > | > is
| > | > | > | > just
| > | > | > | > | > plain
| > | > | > | > | > | > silly.
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | Olson is right,even if you use plastic box,you
need
| > to
| > | > put
| > | > a
| > | > | > | > ground
| > | > | > | > | > in
| > | > | > | > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > | > | grounding lug...
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | you must be asking why, a so crazy thing..
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | its because,even if you use plastic box the ground
| > wire
| > | > need
| > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > | > connect
| > | > | > | > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > | > | > | every metallic part of an electric system,that is
| > not
| > | > | > carrying
| > | > | > | > | > power,so
| > | > | > | > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > | > | metal on a switch,or an electric plug,or on a
metal
| > | > cover
| > | > on
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > plastic
| > | > | > | > | > | > | box, they all need to be grounded,its the damn
code
| > that
| > | > say
| > | > | > it
| > | > | > | > | > must,so
| > | > | > | > | > | > by
| > | > | > | > | > | > | putting a ground lug,that connects to the hole
where
| > you
| > | > | > screw
| > | > | > | > your
| > | > | > | > | > | > device
| > | > | > | > | > | > | or plate on the plastic box you respect the
code,the
| > | > ground
| > | > | > wire
| > | > | > | > is
| > | > | > | > | > | > there
| > | > | > | > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > | > | > | protect your life,not to just help copper wire
| > company
| > | > sell
| > | > | > more
| > | > | > | > | > | > wire....But
| > | > | > | > | > | > | if its your life,just yours,not any other,I would
be
| > in
| > | > | > favour
| > | > | > | > of
| > | > | > | > | > not
| > | > | > | > | > | > | putting any ground wire to any electrical system
| > that
| > | > you
| > | > | > could
| > | > | > | > | > | > touch....
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | I you would have a minimum understanding of any
| > | > electrical
| > | > | > code
| > | > | > | > you
| > | > | > | > | > | > would
| > | > | > | > | > | > | know that...
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | "Robert L Bass" <[email protected]> a écrit
| > dans
| > | > le
| > | > | > | > message
| > | > | > | > de
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | [email protected]...
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Grounding a plastic back box?
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > It's another olsonism, like levitating ladders
and
| > | > | > | > snap-rolling
| > | > | > | > | > 737's.
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > He's got a million of them (they're all lies, of
| > | > course).
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Let me see, how did that song go?
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > O-l-s-o-n....
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | >
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[Robert L Bass]

I am far more worried about the urinal.

Please hurry with your invention. The
thought of accidental electro-cauterizing
prostate and bladder surgery scares me.

You might be onto something there. Though briefly painful, it might be more effective and certainly less expensive than the usual
surgical procedure. :^)

BTW, it was prostate surgery which indirectly saved my life. I had the "Roto-Rooter" surgery and afterward the doctor told me to
notify him at once if I had any unusual pains as these might indicate a blood clot. A few weeks later I had a pain deep in the
right side of my chest which lasted more than a day.

Any other time I would have ignored a slight pain like that but just to be safe I called the doctor. He said it was unlikely that
this was a clot but advised me to go to the ER (it was a weekend) and get an X-ray and a CT scan. The X-ray showed nothing but the
scan revealed a tumor which had just breached the pleura (causing the pain). The tumor had also invaded the blood vessels.

Because of that scan I found out about this cancer just before it metastasized. It was literally a thin layer of cells away from
becoming inoperable. I share in hopes that it will inspire some here to ask their doctors about doing annual CT scans. Chest
X-rays are *not* enough. The usually don't disclose lung cancer until the tumor is so large that it is beyond hope. A CT scan
shows everything that's going on inside the thorax. It's like passing the body through a meat slicer only without all the blood.
You can see every detail and, most significantly, you can find and treat cancer in time to save your life.

I was very lucky. My doctor says that if I had not found out and taken immediate action I'd have been dead in less than a year.
BTW, I don't even smoke. I quit almost 30 years ago. With the invasion of the blood vessels it's reasonable to assume that
microscopic cancer cells have been carried throughout my body. The chemotherapy was designed to kill those. I won't know for sure
if I'm cured for another five years. Meanwhile I'll be going in for quarterly scans and taking shark cartilage daily (I figure it
can't hurt and I don't like sharks anyway).

If you're a smoker or if you've ever smoked, do yourself a favor and have your lungs checked out. Your life may depend on it.
Since this cancer came upon me nearly 30 years after I quit smoking, even those who never smoked ought to consider a little
preventive testing. The procedure is painless, quick and actually kind of interesting.

This message is posted in hopes that it will inspire someone else to protect himself. Perhaps those who like to flame will leave
this one alone.

--

Merry Belated Christmas,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Jim]

This message is posted in hopes that it will inspire someone else to protect himself. Perhaps those who like to flame will leave
this one alone.

Not a chance.

You're sick alright.

I've never seen anyone but you, so compulsive about revealing your
personal life to the public at large. And then you act so fucking
offened when someone uses it to do the same thing to you as you
do to others.

You're a sick demented jerk.

 

[Crash Gordon]

You don't watch Mythbusters? They did the myth about pissing on the 3rd
rail...couldn't get old Buster to get fried. The stream has to be continuous
to get fried.


|I am far more worried about the urinal. Please hurry with your invention.
| The thought of accidental electro-cauterizing prostate and bladder surgery
| scares me.
|
| | > I'm working on a device to ground the water coming out of the shower
| > faucet...better safe than sorry.
| >
| >
| > | > | Funny you should mention that. That very thing happened to Mark
Leuck's
| > | uncle. The shock didn't kill him, but he fell and hit his head on a
| > Moose
| > | Z-1100 that happened to be nearby. Now if that box had been grounded,
| > | well.....who knows??
| > | js
| > |
| > | | > | > For ceiling fixtures like ceiling fans, just in case you grab onto a
| > fan
| > | > blade when you get out of the shower and have a ground wire tangled
| > around
| > | > your feet.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Probably, but there are still a lot of the old ones out there.
| > | > |
| > | > | You're not grounding the box of course, it's just a terminal to
land
| > the
| > | > | ground wire, and maybe do some good in certain circumstances. I
| > haven't
| > | > seen
| > | > | in on the single gang boxes, but the round ones have it. Must be a
| > | > lighting
| > | > | fixture thing. I've seen that skinny little ground tail on the
| > fixture
| > | > break
| > | > | off, or even slip out of the wire nut.
| > | > |
| > | > | js
| > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | > In which case grounding the box will still make no
sense...better
| > to
| > | > | > replace
| > | > | > the old device with a grounding lug...they cost under a buck for
| > the
| > | > cheap
| > | > | > ones... under 2 bucks for the good ones.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | Maybe in case you have an older switch without a ground lug,
or
| > a
| > | > | > fixture
| > | > | > | with a broken or missing grounding tail. Redundancy?
| > | > | > | js
| > | > | > |
| > message
| > | > | > | | > | > | > | > You guys are missing the point. The device (switch/outlet)
is
| > | > already
| > | > | > | > grounded by the ground wire from the supply line. Unless,
they
| > use
| > | > | > very
| > | > | > | > different wire in Canada...why would you want to connect a
| > plastic
| > | > box
| > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > the ground??? The device is grounded, the box is plastic,
the
| > | > cover
| > | > | > plate
| > | > | > | > is
| > | > | > | > plastic...what exactly are you grounding ???
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > |I imagine the purpose isn't to "ground" the box, but to try
| > to
| > | > ensure
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | ground is passed through to the device being mounted on
the
| > box.
| > | > The
| > | > | > | > ground
| > | > | > | > | lug appears to be tied to the device mounting screw
sockets,
| > any
| > | > | > device
| > | > | > | > | mounted to the box will be grounded. It may also be to try
| > to
| > | > ensure
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | ground continuity to devices further down the circuit, who
| > | > knows,
| > | > | > but
| > | > | > a
| > | > | > | > | quick google seems to confirm that it is a requirement of
| > the
| > | > | > Canadian
| > | > | > | > | Electrical Code.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | This is from a document on Carlon's website.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | Canadian Applications: Per Canadian electric code, a
| > separate
| > | > | > bonding
| > | > | > | > | connection is required in nonmetallic electrical boxes.
| > Utilize
| > | > | > | > Grounding
| > | > | > | > | Lug (Fig. 11) and green Ground Screw provided with Yoke.
| > | > | > | > | http://www.carlon.com/Installation_Training/IT-IS125.pdf
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | Doug
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > message
| > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > uh, ok...enlighten me how grounding a PLASTIC box (or
any
| > | > other
| > | > | > | > | > non-conducting object) will protect me (or) you from
being
| > | > zapped.
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | you never took time to understand why there are so
much
| > law
| > | > for
| > | > | > | > | > electrical
| > | > | > | > | > | wiring..
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | all of this is to protect you,and everyone else of
being
| > | > zapped
| > | > | > by
| > | > | > a
| > | > | > | > | > faulty
| > | > | > | > | > | electric device....
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <[email protected]> a
écrit
| > | > dans
| > | > le
| > | > | > | > message
| > | > | > | > | > de
| > | > | > | > | > | [email protected]...
| > | > | > | > | > | >I saw I read, never see anything like that
| > before....and
| > I
| > | > | > still
| > | > | > | > think
| > | > | > | > | > it's
| > | > | > | > | > | > silly.
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| >
http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums/Boxes and Covers/boxes_11_eng.pdf
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | go read
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <[email protected]> a
| > écrit
| > | > | > dans
| > | > | > le
| > | > | > | > | > message
| > | > | > | > | > | > de
| > | > | > | > | > | > | [email protected]...
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > all that stuff is already grounded, to ground a
| > | > plastic
| > | > | > box
| > | > | > is
| > | > | > | > | > just
| > | > | > | > | > | > plain
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > silly.
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | Olson is right,even if you use plastic box,you
| > need
| > | > to
| > | > | > put
| > | > | > a
| > | > | > | > | > ground
| > | > | > | > | > | > in
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | grounding lug...
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | you must be asking why, a so crazy thing..
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | its because,even if you use plastic box the
| > ground
| > | > wire
| > | > | > need
| > | > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > | > | > connect
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | every metallic part of an electric system,that
| > is
| > | > not
| > | > | > | > carrying
| > | > | > | > | > | > power,so
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | metal on a switch,or an electric plug,or on a
| > metal
| > | > | > cover
| > | > | > on
| > | > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > | > plastic
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | box, they all need to be grounded,its the damn
| > code
| > | > that
| > | > | > say
| > | > | > | > it
| > | > | > | > | > | > must,so
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > by
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | putting a ground lug,that connects to the hole
| > where
| > | > you
| > | > | > | > screw
| > | > | > | > | > your
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > device
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | or plate on the plastic box you respect the
| > code,the
| > | > | > ground
| > | > | > | > wire
| > | > | > | > | > is
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > there
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | protect your life,not to just help copper wire
| > | > company
| > | > | > sell
| > | > | > | > more
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > wire....But
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | if its your life,just yours,not any other,I
| > would
| > be
| > | > in
| > | > | > | > favour
| > | > | > | > | > of
| > | > | > | > | > | > not
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | putting any ground wire to any electrical
system
| > | > that
| > | > | > you
| > | > | > | > could
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > touch....
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | I you would have a minimum understanding of
any
| > | > | > electrical
| > | > | > | > code
| > | > | > | > | > you
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > would
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | know that...
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | "Robert L Bass" <[email protected]> a
| > écrit
| > | > dans
| > | > | > le
| > | > | > | > | > message
| > | > | > | > | > de
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
[email protected]...
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Grounding a plastic back box?
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > It's another olsonism, like levitating
ladders
| > and
| > | > | > | > | > snap-rolling
| > | > | > | > | > | > 737's.
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > He's got a million of them (they're all
lies,
| > of
| > | > | > course).
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Let me see, how did that song go?
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > O-l-s-o-n....
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