Wire prices

[Don]

Yeah. We have "weird wire" here. Fire cable comes in "odd" conductors.
18/3, 18,5, 18/7, etc. That's because CAN/ULC-S524 (Installation Standard
for Fire Alarm Systems) requires every device backbox be bonded to ground.
Ask "FireTek". He's the expert.

even the plastic ones?

 

[Robert L Bass]

Yeah. We have "weird wire" here. Fire cable comes in "odd" conductors. 18/3, 18,5, 18/7, etc. That's because CAN/ULC-S524
Olson once posted how he likes to ground NMC boxes. :^)

 

[alarman]

even the plastic ones?

Yes. They "ground" their plastic boxes.
js

 

[Frank Olson]

even the plastic ones?

CSA plastic boxes have a ground lug. And yes, you have to bond all back
boxes to ground.

 

[Robert L Bass]

Grounding a plastic back box?

It's another olsonism, like levitating ladders and snap-rolling 737's. He's got a million of them (they're all lies, of course).

Let me see, how did that song go?

O-l-s-o-n....

 

[Petem]

Olson is right,even if you use plastic box,you need to put a ground in the
grounding lug...

you must be asking why, a so crazy thing..

its because,even if you use plastic box the ground wire need to connect to
every metallic part of an electric system,that is not carrying power,so the
metal on a switch,or an electric plug,or on a metal cover on the plastic
box, they all need to be grounded,its the damn code that say it must,so by
putting a ground lug,that connects to the hole where you screw your device
or plate on the plastic box you respect the code,the ground wire is there to
protect your life,not to just help copper wire company sell more wire....But
if its your life,just yours,not any other,I would be in favour of not
putting any ground wire to any electrical system that you could touch....


I you would have a minimum understanding of any electrical code you would
know that...

 

[Frank Olson]

It's another olsonism, like levitating ladders and snap-rolling 737's. He's got a million of them (they're all lies, of course).

You've yet to prove *any* of the above mentioned are lies. I wonder why...



Dunno, but I understand the "beat" is called "Bassanova".

 

[Robert L Bass]

Olson is right,even if you use plastic box,

I will be glad to once the AHJ says I have to, and does me the favor of pointing out exactly where this ground lug is. I have not
come across one on a plastic back box.

They're in Olson's mind. Petem hasn't any experience or knowledge so Olson is able to snow him deeper than Denver's airport.

All kidding aside, there are some NMC boxes available with a ground lug. It's there for convenience in connecting stuff. If the
item needs grounding and the lug is there, use it. Otherwise, use a wire nut.

In Olson's original gaff on this subject he thought that the lug must always be used. That is of course absurd.

 

[Mark Leuck]

They're in Olson's mind. Petem hasn't any experience or knowledge so

Olson is able to snow him deeper than Denver's airport.

All kidding aside, there are some NMC boxes available with a ground lug.

It's there for convenience in connecting stuff. If the

item needs grounding and the lug is there, use it. Otherwise, use a wire

nut.

So you too are now suggesting grounding a plastic box after years of ragging
Frank....

In Olson's original gaff on this subject he thought that the lug must

always be used. That is of course absurd.

Funny you never mentioned that until now

 

[Robert L Bass]

Olson is able to snow him deeper than Denver's airport.
It's there for convenience in connecting stuff. If the
nut.

So you too are now suggesting grounding
a plastic box after years of ragging Frank....

Olson needs a rag. However, you've posted more about his plastic box gaff than I ever did. His error was in claiming that one must
ground a plastic box. That is of course absurd. The lug is provided on some boxes but not to ground the box itself. It's just a
convenient place to connect a device ground. Nothing in code requires you to ground an NMC box nor are the boxes themselves
required to have a ground lug.

Funny you never mentioned that until now

I rarely mentioned his stupid post on this subject at all. It's for his other lies that I usually smack him. You don't know
anything about flying so the absurdity of his entire series of lies about that goes way over your head. You also wouldn't
understand the physical impossibility of the lie he told about the ladder. I'll give you a hint though. In the fictitious
electrified ladder story, Olson claimed that the top of the ladder was on the superstructure of this building. Any electrical
cabinet at such a location would *never* be recessed. The ladder would have been leaning against the same surface as the fictional
electrical cabinet. He claimed he was part way up the ladder when it magically jumped off that surface *with his weight on it*,
shifted sideways and then dropped back down into the electrical cabinet. There are principles of physics --- you know, things like
gravity -- which say that the whole story was pure bullfrank.

I realize that you know nothing about airplanes so it is excusable if you fell for the "737 snap-roll" story. I don't know if you
are stupid enough to believe the levitating ladder story, too.

Now let's look at Olson's claims of doing all manner of major fire alarms in high rise buildings, etc. If there were one shred of
truth to those tales, there would be lots of people in the trade in his area who know him. After he started calling my suppliers in
an effort to hurt my business I decided to find out more about Frank Olson. I checked with every major supplier in and around
Vancouver. None ever heard of him. I also contacted inspectors in and around Burnaby (where he says he is) and Vancouver. The
result was the same. No one knew of him. I posted a question about him on a local (to him) forum. No reply.

I did finally find one person in the personnel department of one company in the area who said he had once worked their briefly but
had been terminated. I don't know if that was by his choice or theirs. Asked if he could come back if he wanted to, she said no.
In all fairness (not that he deserves it), most employers would say that about anyone who left, regardless of the circumstances.
What that phone call did establish is that Frank Olson did briefly work for an alarm dealer. It's his name, alright. What the rest
tells us is that he is not an installer any more and he has not done any of the great projects he claims he has. In short, the
man's a pathological liar. He makes some like you seem almost honest by comparison.

 

[Crash Gordon]

Wonder if they use plastic wire to ground it.


| Grounding a plastic back box?
| Let me see, how did that song go? M_I_C_K_E_Y <> M_O_U_S_E.
|
message
| | > Don wrote:
| >> message | >>
| >>>Roland Moore wrote:
| >>>
| >>>>18/7? I have heard of 18/6 for readers and use it often. 18/7? Are you
| >>>>counting the drain?
| >>>
| >>>Yeah. We have "weird wire" here. Fire cable comes in "odd"
conductors.
| >>>18/3, 18,5, 18/7, etc. That's because CAN/ULC-S524 (Installation
| >>>Standard for Fire Alarm Systems) requires every device backbox be
bonded
| >>>to ground. Ask "FireTek". He's the expert.
| >>
| >>
| >> even the plastic ones?
| >
| >
| > CSA plastic boxes have a ground lug. And yes, you have to bond all back
| > boxes to ground.
|
|

 

[Crash Gordon]

all that stuff is already grounded, to ground a plastic box is just plain
silly.


| Olson is right,even if you use plastic box,you need to put a ground in the
| grounding lug...
|
| you must be asking why, a so crazy thing..
|
| its because,even if you use plastic box the ground wire need to connect to
| every metallic part of an electric system,that is not carrying power,so
the
| metal on a switch,or an electric plug,or on a metal cover on the plastic
| box, they all need to be grounded,its the damn code that say it must,so by
| putting a ground lug,that connects to the hole where you screw your device
| or plate on the plastic box you respect the code,the ground wire is there
to
| protect your life,not to just help copper wire company sell more
wire....But
| if its your life,just yours,not any other,I would be in favour of not
| putting any ground wire to any electrical system that you could touch....
|
|
| I you would have a minimum understanding of any electrical code you would
| know that...
|
|
|
| "Robert L Bass" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de | [email protected]...
| >> Grounding a plastic back box?
| >
| > It's another olsonism, like levitating ladders and snap-rolling 737's.
| > He's got a million of them (they're all lies, of course).
| >
| >> Let me see, how did that song go?
| >
| > O-l-s-o-n....
| >
|
|

 

[Karl Magnus]

Robert L Bass wrote:
"In short, the man's a pathological liar. He makes some like you seem
almost honest by comparison."
You sure are a interesting little toad. If you are the one defining
honest in the above statement, are you referring to the "honest"
statements you made here about me? Remember? You wrote that I made (I am
paraphrasing here): many idiotic posts to the Usenet groups related
to audio. I busted you on this. Asked you to admit. You failed. (again...)

Please dude...STOP being a jerk. I don't need to google the 10,000 other
things you are constantly called here, because it all boils down to one
simple thing. You are not a "Murder", or a "Bully", or a whatever these
fools keep calling you.

I'm pretty sure, after reading many of your posts, that you will not
take offense to being called a "jerk", or in fact, being one.

Just my personal 2 cents. You tried to make me look like an audio idiot
by being witness to my "idiotic posts" on audio newsgroups, got caught
lying about it, and ignored a simple plea for clarification on the
issue. Then you continue on to say how honest you are. PLEASE, as a good
Christian/Jew/Pagan, stop being a jerk.


Jerky McJerkJerk III
President
JerkCallah Inc.

 

[Petem]

Now if you cant see the ground log on those plastic box's your as dumb as
you sound

http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums/Boxes and Covers/boxes_11_eng.pdf

And by the way ,about experience,I don't brag being in a trade for
26,27,28,30+ years,I don't even brag about being in that trade for 20+
years,but what I can say is that I AM in that trade,what you cant
say...cause your just simple online seller of parts...

but just to shut you up,I've been working for 13.5 years at the same
place,and that's the 5th place I work for in the alarm business,and been to
at least one year to every other place I,vet work for but one ( 2
weeks,cause ADT bought the first company I worked for,and I dropped them
dead after 2 week cause they are the worst ever company I ever seen...)

 

[Petem]

http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums/Boxes and Covers/boxes_11_eng.pdf

go see that..after come back and give us what you think about it...

 

[Petem]

http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums/Boxes and Covers/boxes_11_eng.pdf

go read

 

[Don]

Now if you cant see the ground log on those plastic box's your as dumb as
you sound

http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums/Boxes and Covers/boxes_11_eng.pdf

proof positive!

but just to shut you up,

if only

 

[Mark Leuck]

Olson needs a rag. However, you've posted more about his plastic box gaff

than I ever did. His error was in claiming that one must

ground a plastic box. That is of course absurd. The lug is provided on

some boxes but not to ground the box itself. It's just a

convenient place to connect a device ground. Nothing in code requires you

to ground an NMC box nor are the boxes themselves

required to have a ground lug.

Yet it appears you now seem to support it, btw I've never posted about the
plastic box grounding until today

I rarely mentioned his stupid post on this subject at all. It's for his

other lies that I usually smack him. You don't know

anything about flying so the absurdity of his entire series of lies about

that goes way over your head.

I am not a pilot but I was part owner of a Piper Cherokee for 5 years so no
I know nothing about flying.

I realize that you know nothing about airplanes so it is excusable if you

fell for the "737 snap-roll" story. I don't know if you

are stupid enough to believe the levitating ladder story, too.

I've never seen the 737 roll or levitating ladder post, only the comments
afterwards by Frank and you

Now let's look at Olson's claims of doing all manner of major fire alarms

in high rise buildings, etc. If there were one shred of

truth to those tales, there would be lots of people in the trade in his

area who know him. After he started calling my suppliers in

an effort to hurt my business I decided to find out more about Frank

Olson. I checked with every major supplier in and around

Vancouver. None ever heard of him. I also contacted inspectors in and

around Burnaby (where he says he is) and Vancouver. The

result was the same. No one knew of him. I posted a question about him

on a local (to him) forum. No reply.

Interesting but I'll bet if you call every supplier and inspector in the
Dallas area they also would have never heard of me and I've been around for
15 years in the industry.

I did finally find one person in the personnel department of one company

in the area who said he had once worked their briefly but

had been terminated.

Cool, hey what was his name and what company did he work for?

I don't know if that was by his choice or theirs. Asked if he could come

back if he wanted to, she said no.

Correction, what was her name and what company did she work for?

In all fairness (not that he deserves it), most employers would say that

about anyone who left, regardless of the circumstances.

What that phone call did establish is that Frank Olson did briefly work

for an alarm dealer.

What dealer?

 

[Crash Gordon]

I saw I read, never see anything like that before....and I still think it's
silly.


|
http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums/Boxes and Covers/boxes_11_eng.pdf
|
| go read
|
|
| "Crash Gordon" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message
de
| [email protected]...
| > all that stuff is already grounded, to ground a plastic box is just
plain
| > silly.
| >
| >
| > | > | Olson is right,even if you use plastic box,you need to put a ground in
| > the
| > | grounding lug...
| > |
| > | you must be asking why, a so crazy thing..
| > |
| > | its because,even if you use plastic box the ground wire need to
connect
| > to
| > | every metallic part of an electric system,that is not carrying
power,so
| > the
| > | metal on a switch,or an electric plug,or on a metal cover on the
plastic
| > | box, they all need to be grounded,its the damn code that say it
must,so
| > by
| > | putting a ground lug,that connects to the hole where you screw your
| > device
| > | or plate on the plastic box you respect the code,the ground wire is
| > there
| > to
| > | protect your life,not to just help copper wire company sell more
| > wire....But
| > | if its your life,just yours,not any other,I would be in favour of not
| > | putting any ground wire to any electrical system that you could
| > touch....
| > |
| > |
| > | I you would have a minimum understanding of any electrical code you
| > would
| > | know that...
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Robert L Bass" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
| > | > | [email protected]...
| > | >> Grounding a plastic back box?
| > | >
| > | > It's another olsonism, like levitating ladders and snap-rolling
737's.
| > | > He's got a million of them (they're all lies, of course).
| > | >
| > | >> Let me see, how did that song go?
| > | >
| > | > O-l-s-o-n....
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Crash Gordon]

I never disbelieved you....and I still think it's dee dee dee. The device in
the box is already grounded by the ground in the romex, to ground a
non-conducting plastic box is wacko....like grounding the wooden stud it's
nailed to would be.


|
http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums/Boxes and Covers/boxes_11_eng.pdf
|
| go see that..after come back and give us what you think about it...
|
|
| "Crash Gordon" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message
de
| [email protected]...
| > Wonder if they use plastic wire to ground it.
| >
| >
| > | > | Grounding a plastic back box?
| > | Let me see, how did that song go? M_I_C_K_E_Y <> M_O_U_S_E.
| > |
| > message
| > | | > | > Don wrote:
| > | >> message | > | >>
| > | >>>Roland Moore wrote:
| > | >>>
| > | >>>>18/7? I have heard of 18/6 for readers and use it often. 18/7? Are
| > you
| > | >>>>counting the drain?
| > | >>>
| > | >>>Yeah. We have "weird wire" here. Fire cable comes in "odd"
| > conductors.
| > | >>>18/3, 18,5, 18/7, etc. That's because CAN/ULC-S524 (Installation
| > | >>>Standard for Fire Alarm Systems) requires every device backbox be
| > bonded
| > | >>>to ground. Ask "FireTek". He's the expert.
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> even the plastic ones?
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > CSA plastic boxes have a ground lug. And yes, you have to bond all
| > back
| > | > boxes to ground.
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|