Another Approach

[Dave Hinz]

No, not LOL.

Er, yes actually. Do the math. And lighten up. By the way, are
you the same as Mel, or someone else?

One should always precise the units, especially when using non-standard
ones.

....and see if you can download a clue, and a sense of humor, while
you're figuring out the -40 reference above.

 

[Me]

1) I am not male.
2) I'm not sure nationality has anything to do with the dicussion at
hand - or are you just so self defensive (and/or anti-french) that it's
the only argument you can give me?
3) People running amok in crowds happens everywhere. Most Hollywood
films happen to show Americans, but the europeans are known to have
crushed people to death (to get out of a hail storm) and the Australians
are known to have stampeded (to buy a fridge really cheap) and soccer
fans are known to crush and stampede pretty readily, regardless of thier
nationality. Most Hollywood films happen to show Americans. Most
Hollywood films happen to show Americans. Most Hollywood films happen to
show Americans. Is that enough for you?
4) Normally I try to be polite.
Mel
Me a écrit :

It isn't that I an anti-French at all, even though the French are one of
the stupidest races on earth, and "Couldn't fight their way ut of a wet
paper bag" on any given day.

1. Who cares if your male or female, I certainly don't.
2. See above opening statement.
3. Anyone who thinks that Hollywood depicts reality, is certainly
stupid enough to reiterate the statement three times with no effect.
4. Your just lucky we let your country on the Internet, polite or not.

me

 

[Pom-pom-pom]

Er, yes actually. Do the math. And lighten up. By the way, are
you the same as Mel, or someone else?

I'm not MEL, but share the same geographical entity.

...and see if you can download a clue, and a sense of humor, while
you're figuring out the -40 reference above.

I did the conversion:means
(tip: in google's search box type "-40 F in C", it gives the solution, works
also with various units http://www.google.com/help/calculator.html).

But you understand the joke only if you already know conversion formulas and
special figures.

Sure I learned something yesterday, but I'm still confused with these
F-units, and don't want to lose my time learning it. Too many fields to
learn first.

Please let's resume more constructive talks on energy.

 

[Dave Hinz]

I did the conversion:
But you understand the joke only if you already know conversion formulas and
special figures.

So now I'm criticized for making a joke that not everyone in the
audience might get?

Sure I learned something yesterday, but I'm still confused with these
F-units, and don't want to lose my time learning it. Too many fields to
learn first.

Please let's resume more constructive talks on energy.

Haven't seen any from you. Maybe you could start by actually using
your name, so people could recognize you? With whatever you're
using now, you just look like another nym-shifting random entitity,
impossible and pointless to distinguish from all the other random
nameless entities that wander through here.

 

[Steve Spence]

duh, -40F is -40C



--
Steve Spence
[email protected]
http://www.beavercreekconsulting.com

 

[Steve Spence]

You don't need a conversion formula to know that the F and C scales coincide
at -40. I deliberate left off the unit assuming everyone knew this
"feature". They teach us both scales in this country ....

It was a joke, and was appreciated here.

 

[Average_Joe]

The power produced by solar panels or wind power would be fed directly into
the grid. Period. No battery storage or huge inverters. A small inverter and
a light duty grid tie would be all that would be needed.

Only problem I can see in this (as you pointed out) is the DC-AC and phase
matching.

I suppose if electricity were/is "market driven" you may want to store
the power some how and sell it when the market value is higher?

I know there's nothing new here, but I don't remember it being discussed
specifically. Aside from not having emergency power backup, what's the down
side of power augmentation?

Nothing as far as I can see. If you really *needed* power backup, then a
generator or something is probably required anyway.

I've gone 3-4 days w/out power and survived.

In the winter in around 1978 we had a power outage that lasted a couple
days. We had a crummy fireplace and a stove in the shop, so it wasn't
life threatening. (Lived way, way out in those days)

If you have redundant heat that is capable of operating w/out
electricity (always a good idea) most people don't really need
electricity. (Heck, most of us humans on the planet don't *normally*
have electricity, nothing new there!)

If your furnace depends on electricity, I'd recommend getting a kerosene
or propane space heater. I spent last winter with a kerosene heater (and
electric while sleeping) because propane cost to much. (Very much NOT
fun though, fumes made me sick) it's OK in survival mode, but living
that way for months is probably a bad idea. I'm seeking out wood for
this winter.

Jamie

 

[Dave Hinz]

Only problem I can see in this (as you pointed out) is the DC-AC and phase
matching.

Synchronous (grid-tie) invertors are available today.

I suppose if electricity were/is "market driven" you may want to store
the power some how and sell it when the market value is higher?

Like on Time-Of-Use, where the night rate is 1/6th of the day rate?
Charge 'em at night, feed the grid during the day...hmmmm...

 

[Pom-pom-pom]

So now I'm criticized for making a joke that not everyone in the
audience might get?


Haven't seen any from you. Maybe you could start by actually using
your name, so people could recognize you? With whatever you're
using now, you just look like another nym-shifting random entitity,
impossible and pointless to distinguish from all the other random
nameless entities that wander through here.

Ok I apologize if my comment was not received correctly. Keep on joking.
I've been lurking on this forum for several months and contribute
(positively) on other ones (fr.soc.environnement...) I'll be back with
constructive stuff soon.

 

[Melodie de l'Epine]

Steve Spence a écrit :

You don't need a conversion formula to know that the F and C scales coincide
at -40. I deliberate left off the unit assuming everyone knew this
"feature". They teach us both scales in this country ....

It was a joke, and was appreciated here.

It's a good joke - if you know anything about °F. For those of us who
don't, it's just frustrating. But the fault is not yours - maybe our
education for not teaching us alternative units? Or whoever decided to
use different units instead of harmonising when international scientific
collaboration became common... (it could have gone either way...)

Mel

 

[Melodie de l'Epine]

Me a écrit :


SNIP (HAPPY?)

It isn't that I an anti-French at all, even though the French are one of
the stupidest races on earth, and "Couldn't fight their way ut of a wet
paper bag" on any given day.

1. Who cares if your male or female, I certainly don't.
2. See above opening statement.
3. Anyone who thinks that Hollywood depicts reality, is certainly
stupid enough to reiterate the statement three times with no effect.
4. Your just lucky we let your country on the Internet, polite or not.

me

*

1. I was correcting the fact that I was labelled a "Frenchman"
2. They sure know how to make love! Fighting is not everything. You seem
to display here a very agressive streak.
3. You have completly missed the "screaming crowds of Americans" point.
It's not worth correcting again.
4.My country is not France. I have a different nationality. But yes, I
do live in France. The French are very nice. They don't shout at you
when you talk. *They don't think that they own the rest of the world and
that they "let" (or not) the rest of the world do things.*

In one respect, however, they seem (I haven't lived in America, I can
only base my conclusions on discussion with Americans and American
written literature, tv, film) to be the same as the Americans - they
think that they are superior - culturally, scientifically,
gastronomically and morally. They pity the poor sods that aren't French,
but they don't try and force the rest of the world to be like them. They
respect the right to have different ideas.

Mel

 

[Dave Hinz]

Steve Spence a écrit :

It's a good joke - if you know anything about °F. For those of us who
don't, it's just frustrating. But the fault is not yours - maybe our
education for not teaching us alternative units?

Why can't you just admit that you don't have a sense of humor and drop
the matter?

Or whoever decided to
use different units instead of harmonising when international scientific
collaboration became common... (it could have gone either way...)

And pepole wonder why the French have a reputation for being arrogant.
Thanks for reminding us, Mel.

 

[Fred B. McGalliard]

....

...and see if you can download a clue, and a sense of humor, while
you're figuring out the -40 reference above.

I will never forget this little relation. I read a short science fiction
story based on it. It was the punch line. Scientists are weird.

 

[mel]

Solutions:
1)Get onto a news server that keeps posts for more than 24 hours
-Use some sort of email software (I like Thunderbird, but Outlook has
lot's of fans to)
-Sort messages by thread
-You will then be able to see who I was replying to, in what order etc
2) Alternativly, scroll down to refresh your mind

(It's a bit like the old toilet seat up / toilet seat down argument,
isn't it? Pointless and no-one will ever win)

Mel

Dave Hinz a écrit :

 

[Dave Hinz]

Solutions:
1)Get onto a news server that keeps posts for more than 24 hours

Mine keeps them for months. Next?

-Use some sort of email software (I like Thunderbird, but Outlook has
lot's of fans to)

Right, let's use Outlook to read news. That's an amazing suggestion.
Amazingly bad, that is. Even if it ran on any of my computers, I
wouldn't install the biggest virus/worm target in the world of
commercial software.

-Sort messages by thread

My newsreader does this.

-You will then be able to see who I was replying to, in what order etc
2) Alternativly, scroll down to refresh your mind

When you top-post, it makes it impossible to answer your statements
with context. It's an arrogant way of saying "What I have to say is
the only thing that matters". You may not realize that's what you're
saying, but that is the effect.

(It's a bit like the old toilet seat up / toilet seat down argument,
isn't it? Pointless and no-one will ever win)

Hardly. You don't talk backwards, why would you think of writing that
way?

Ah, there it is, that which you were refering to after all. See
how effective this isn't, by putting it all the way down here?

Dave "Still waiting for a useful post from Mel" Hinz

 

[Melodie de l'Epine]

I particularily agree with your last phrase - in fact, I'm not sure I
like the international politics of ANY country (I think France and
America have equally bad international policies - although the hypocrisy
of Chirac is a little harder to accept)


mark dunning a écrit :

 

[Fred B. McGalliard]

....

We Americans are not what you seen in films, or TV shows. Those characters
are almost all caricatures of "normal" American life. We're boring people
that sit and watch too much TV.

However, we can be wonderful allies and fearsome enemies, as evidenced by
the last hundred-odd years of world history.

And fearsome friends as well. To see what the USA is like, take France, add
Germany and Spain, now mix em up in a blender, add some pacific islands, a
large part of Mexico, and voila. You have a herd of cats. You can't lead em,
you can't find a consensus or anything much resembling a national identity.
If it wasn't for TV we wouldn't have anything in common at all. (This is
deliberately overstated, but it is intended to get your thinking in the
right direction. The USA is big, both physically and culturally.)

 

[Melodie de l'Epine]

DJ a écrit :

SNIP

Unless you're a student in one of their schools and wish to wear your
cultural headgear ;-).

Lot's and lots of points for you! I cringe everytime this subject is
discussed in France. The French seem to be "all or nothing". "All" in
laicism, "nothing" in RES (disheartened sigh)

SNIP

DJ
dans la belle province du Quebec

Melodie

 

[Fred B. McGalliard]

Melodie de l'Epine <[email protected]> wrote in message


No, they just have that condescending sneer as they look down their
nez a nous dans la nouvelle monde ;-).

That's not a sneer. That's just the way you look when you get used to
looking at things with your bifocals on. (Or maybe it's the look you get
when your cheese and wine don't go together?)

 

[Melodie de l'Epine]

Fred B. McGalliard a écrit :

That's not a sneer. That's just the way you look when you get used to
looking at things with your bifocals on. (Or maybe it's the look you get
when your cheese and wine don't go together?)

No, it's the look you get when you have to constantly watch where you
put your feet to make sure you don't step on some dog's leavings!

Mel

(becasue in France, rules and laws are for everybody else, they never
apply to you!)