HOT slowly overheating

[Ken G.]

I`m working on a 9`` Orion tv dvd combo 2003 model , same set as the
Toshibas for those familiar with these .
It uses a samsung chassis with a small size package HOT .
Ths set had HOT shorted and the board under the HOT was browned from
heat .
I replaced the HOT with a good original part from a smashed tv set .
This set now works just fine but after around an hour the HOT tiny heat
sink gets to hot to keep a finger on .

I have ESR tested capacitors in the osc circuit and swapped out the osc
coil but still gets hot . I am suspecting the flyback ??
Comments ?

 

[Meat Plow]

I`m working on a 9`` Orion tv dvd combo 2003 model , same set as the
Toshibas for those familiar with these .
It uses a samsung chassis with a small size package HOT .
Ths set had HOT shorted and the board under the HOT was browned from
heat .
I replaced the HOT with a good original part from a smashed tv set .
This set now works just fine but after around an hour the HOT tiny heat
sink gets to hot to keep a finger on .

I have ESR tested capacitors in the osc circuit and swapped out the osc
coil but still gets hot . I am suspecting the flyback ??
Comments ?

Take the flyback from the smashed set and swap.

 

[[email protected]]

If everything else seems ok, ie, picture and deflection are ok, can you
increase the heat sink size somehow? Maybe a bad design from the
beginning.

H. R.(Bob) Hofmann

 

[boardjunkie]

I`m working on a 9`` Orion tv dvd combo 2003 model , same set as the
Toshibas for those familiar with these .
It uses a samsung chassis with a small size package HOT .
Ths set had HOT shorted and the board under the HOT was browned from
heat .
I replaced the HOT with a good original part from a smashed tv set .
This set now works just fine but after around an hour the HOT tiny heat
sink gets to hot to keep a finger on .

I have ESR tested capacitors in the osc circuit and swapped out the osc
coil but still gets hot . I am suspecting the flyback ??
Comments ?

Either the heat sink is way undersized or the retrace tuning cap may be
leaky. Sounds like more HS surface area is a good idea either way.

 

[Malissa Baldwin]

I`m working on a 9`` Orion tv dvd combo 2003 model , same set as the
Toshibas for those familiar with these .

what did I tell you otterfucker? Orion does make crappy tvs for Toshiba.

 

[Malissa Baldwin]

If everything else seems ok, ie, picture and deflection are ok, can you
increase the heat sink size somehow? Maybe a bad design from the
beginning.

H. R.(Bob) Hofmann

A bad design? No shit asshole.

 

[Malissa Baldwin]

Ken G. wrote:

I replaced the HOT with a good original part from a smashed tv set .
This set now works just fine but after around an hour the HOT tiny heat
sink gets to hot to keep a finger on .

of course it's going to get hot. It's a HEAT SINK. What part of that
don't you understand, you dumb motherfucker?

 

[Ken G.]

I have worked on several of the Toshiba with the same exact heat sink
and HOT and chassis and never found one till now that got hot like this

The picture shows no sign of any problems .

My next step was to put in the flyback from the smashed set ... THANKS
.. Today i also found another 02. 9`` set that had a shorted picture
tube only it had a vcr in it but same exact HOT . Fylback # ??

I thought of adding more heat sink but thats not always the best thing
to do .

 

[Ken G.]

of course it's going to get hot. It's a HEAT SINK. What part of that
don't you understand,

I love you and i want more !

 

[[email protected]]

Let us know what finally happens. (about the tv that is )

H. R. Hofman

 

[Heinz Schmitz]

This set now works just fine but after around an hour the HOT tiny heat
sink gets to hot to keep a finger on .

I had some similar problems with other TV brands.
Regularly the HOT was not driven properly.
In one case the electrolytic capacitor to the base had lost capacity,
in an other case a solenoid parallel to a resistor to the base was
not soldered correctly on one end.
The HOT can survive only if it really works as a switch, ie, strong
input signal and short pulse rise times.
Good luck,
H.

 

[b]

Ken G. ha escrito:

I have worked on several of the Toshiba with the same exact heat sink
and HOT and chassis and never found one till now that got hot like this

The picture shows no sign of any problems .

My next step was to put in the flyback from the smashed set ... THANKS
. Today i also found another 02. 9`` set that had a shorted picture
tube only it had a vcr in it but same exact HOT . Fylback # ??

I thought of adding more heat sink but thats not always the best thing
to do .

did you just esr the caps in the hor drive cct or actually change them?

-B.

 

[Sam Goldwasser]

of course it's going to get hot. It's a HEAT SINK. What part of that
don't you understand,

I love you and i want more !

A properly designed and functioning HOT should not get hot.

Either a problem with the drive or the output circuit can result
in excessive dissipation in the HOT.

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[b]

Sam Goldwasser ha escrito:

A properly designed and functioning HOT should not get hot.

You haven't worked on many Samsungs , have you! ;-) they're so mean
with the metal, piddling little heatsinks mean the trannys always seem
to run hot but somehow they work.
also some of the the newer sharps and daewoos don't even heat sink the
HOT :-o

-ben

 

[Malissa Baldwin]

[email protected] (Ken G.) writes:

A properly designed and functioning HOT should not get hot.

Either a problem with the drive or the output circuit can result
in excessive dissipation in the HOT.

or maybe he just changing the channels too fast.

 

[Sam Goldwasser]

Sam Goldwasser ha escrito:


You haven't worked on many Samsungs , have you! ;-) they're so mean
with the metal, piddling little heatsinks mean the trannys always seem
to run hot but somehow they work.
also some of the the newer sharps and daewoos don't even heat sink the
HOT :-o

Right. Note the part about "properly designed".

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[John Robertson]

I`m working on a 9`` Orion tv dvd combo 2003 model , same set as the
Toshibas for those familiar with these . It uses a samsung chassis with
a small size package HOT .
Ths set had HOT shorted and the board under the HOT was browned from
heat .
I replaced the HOT with a good original part from a smashed tv set .
This set now works just fine but after around an hour the HOT tiny heat
sink gets to hot to keep a finger on .

I have ESR tested capacitors in the osc circuit and swapped out the osc
coil but still gets hot . I am suspecting the flyback ?? Comments ?

Looks to me like you need a ring tester for flyback (LOPT)
transformers. Dick Smith makes one that we, and others, sell - if DS
EVER makes any more that is (backordered for a month or two so far!).
Still a ring tester is great, and is a useful tool on the TV/Monitor
repair bench. You can pick up second hand ones on eBay - Sencore and
the like.

We test all our monitors with a ring tester (Bob Parkers design - Dick
Smith sells) before we recap them - saves a lot of trouble.

John :-#)#
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[Franc Zabkar]

I`m working on a 9`` Orion tv dvd combo 2003 model , same set as the
Toshibas for those familiar with these .
It uses a samsung chassis with a small size package HOT .
Ths set had HOT shorted and the board under the HOT was browned from
heat .
I replaced the HOT with a good original part from a smashed tv set .
This set now works just fine but after around an hour the HOT tiny heat
sink gets to hot to keep a finger on .

I have ESR tested capacitors in the osc circuit and swapped out the osc
coil but still gets hot . I am suspecting the flyback ??
Comments ?

I'd look for an electrolytic cap on the primary side of the horizontal
drive transformer.

- Franc Zabkar

 

[Ken G.]

Ok i finally got back to this thread . I only ESR the caps , i didnt
change any . I did however take the flyback off the newly found set and
put it in the overheating set and the overheating stopped . I left the
set on all night long and in the morning the HOT heat sink was only
slightly warm .

I know these tv sets are cheaply made and all but this whole project was
free accept my time and this is what people buy and want fixed so fix i
will .
The little set has a DVD in it and a 12 volt jack and still looks like
new . Someone will like it .

Thanks for all the pointers and technical info .

 

[Franc Zabkar]

Sam Goldwasser ha escrito:


You haven't worked on many Samsungs , have you! ;-) they're so mean
with the metal, piddling little heatsinks mean the trannys always seem
to run hot but somehow they work.
also some of the the newer sharps and daewoos don't even heat sink the
HOT :-o

-ben

Why Do Apparently Similar or Better HOTs Sometimes Run Hot:
http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/deflfaq.htm#dsasb

Typical HOT Dissipation:
http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/deflfaq.htm#dsthd

Here is an excerpt from the aforementioned URL:

===============================================================
Here are some measured values for TV HOTs with optimized drive:
(From: David, a Philips application engineer).

14-21", 16 kHz: About 1 W (some have the HOT running in free-air)
21-36", 16 kHz: Less than 2 W (some new large CRT's only need 9 A
p-p)
25-36", 32 kHz: Less than 4 W (dissipation really is prop. to
frequency)
===============================================================

- Franc Zabkar