Macrovision hack?

[Chris Phillipo]

Well seeing as the DMCA makes universal remote controls, garage door
openers and pretty much anything that allows equipment to be used for
anything it wasn't intended for (like remote control software for Palm
Pilots) illegal, this could get difficult.

Next they will be making "copy-proof" holographic DVD's that *cannot*
be played in any manufactured player if the hologram is missing. From
what I understand, the next upgrade to the DVD standard will also take
out the facility to play DVD-R and DVD-RW, only original burned disks.

-A

Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof, as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.

 

[Chris Phillipo]

I wasn't pirating before but I think it's time to start just to drive up
the cost that idiots like Darkmatter have to pay when they buy a disk at
full pop because they have no self control.

 

[Colon Terminus]

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.

 

[DarkMatter]

Obviously not worth too much, since you bother spending time on spewing your
rather worthless comments to this group. And see, I didn't call you names.
Just commented on the stupidity of your post.

What I do not do is spend time trying to burn copies of discs. THAT
is fucking retarded. That is not a name being called, asswipe, that
is a fact being related.

 

[Jer]

That's laughable. How do they expect this to be enforced? We don't have
enough to cops to handle the real crimes. I think the FBI has better things
to do than go house to house looking for copies of movies.

Most of us provide our own enforcement through self control - this way,
we don't have to concern ourselves about jack-booted thugs kicking down
our doors in the middle of a movie scattering our fresh popcorn across
the floor.

Yes, laugh if you will, but if someone you trust decides they don't like
your attitude about your lack of self control, they may convince the FBI
of your terrorist activities, and you can deal with them instead of us.
Yes, laugh little pidgeon, laugh if you will.

 

[DarkMatter]

Next they will be making "copy-proof" holographic DVD's that *cannot*
be played in any manufactured player if the hologram is missing. From
what I understand, the next upgrade to the DVD standard will also take
out the facility to play DVD-R and DVD-RW, only original burned disks.

Original discs aren't burned, dingledorf, they are stamped. Also if
you retards need players that play your ripped discs, then you'll have
to keep an older model, eh? Or you may have to downconvert output to
a lower res form factor.

Too fucking bad.

 

[DarkMatter]

Care to explain yourself? Just saying something doesn't make it true.

Just saying that he can doesn't make it true either, dipshit.

 

[Justin]

Cernovog wrote on [Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:29:35 -0500]:

Care to explain yourself? Just saying something doesn't make it true.

He doesn't need to. It is illegal to copy a DVD in the US, for any
reason whatsoever.

 

[Justin]

Cernovog wrote on [Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:33:06 -0500]:

That's laughable. How do they expect this to be enforced? We don't have
enough to cops to handle the real crimes. I think the FBI has better things
to do than go house to house looking for copies of movies.

Yes, but just because something doesn't always get enforced it doesn't
mean it's legal.

 

[DarkMatter]

Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof, as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.

Funny. I see absolutely ZERO chinese players on American store
shelves. Ever wonder why?

When it all changes, the chinese ripoff Pieces of shit players will
likely not work at all, and you twits will have something else to cry
about, and we will have something else to laugh at stupid little rip
it twits about.

 

[Justin]

Colon Terminus wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:16 GMT]:

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.

Yes, illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to bypass a copy protection
mechanism. Therefore, by copying it you are bypassing it.

 

[Justin]

DarkMatter wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:36:49 -0800]:

Funny. I see absolutely ZERO chinese players on American store
shelves. Ever wonder why?

Sure you do.

 

[DarkMatter]

DarkMatter wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:36:49 -0800]:

Funny. I see absolutely ZERO chinese players on American store
shelves. Ever wonder why?

Sure you do.

Yes. Taiwan. Through legal manufacturer channels where the
manufacturer is industry compliant. One does not see the
non-complaint players he refers to on our shelves.

The web doesn't count.

 

[Justin]

DarkMatter wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:14:27 -0800]:

DarkMatter wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:36:49 -0800]:

Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof, as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.

Funny. I see absolutely ZERO chinese players on American store
shelves. Ever wonder why?

Sure you do.

Yes. Taiwan. Through legal manufacturer channels where the
manufacturer is industry compliant. One does not see the
non-complaint players he refers to on our shelves.

The web doesn't count.

The Cyberhome players can be hacked, hell, even some of the newer
Toshibas can be, with very simple remote keypresses.

 

[Dick Sidbury]

Colon Terminus wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:16 GMT]:

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.

Yes, illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to bypass a copy protection
mechanism. Therefore, by copying it you are bypassing it.

Not it's not illegal to bypass a copy protection mechanism. It's
illegal to defeat it. So if you could do a bit for bit copy that
wouldn't violate the DMCA. And of course if the DVD were not copy
protected then copying it would also not be illegal.

dick

 

[Justin]

Dick Sidbury wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:48:21 -0500]:

Colon Terminus wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:16 GMT]:

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.

Yes, illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to bypass a copy protection
mechanism. Therefore, by copying it you are bypassing it.

Not it's not illegal to bypass a copy protection mechanism. It's
illegal to defeat it. So if you could do a bit for bit copy that
wouldn't violate the DMCA. And of course if the DVD were not copy
protected then copying it would also not be illegal.

By copying a copy protected DVD you are defeating the copy protection
mechanism. If you weren't defeating it then you wouldn't be copying it.

 

[luminos]

It is not in Australia and a lot of other countries.

 

[DarkMatter]

DarkMatter wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:14:27 -0800]:

DarkMatter wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:36:49 -0800]:
Any such attempt will only serve to drive the sale of Chinese made
players through the roof, as if they weren't killing american
manufacturers already.

Funny. I see absolutely ZERO chinese players on American store
shelves. Ever wonder why?

Sure you do.

Yes. Taiwan. Through legal manufacturer channels where the
manufacturer is industry compliant. One does not see the
non-complaint players he refers to on our shelves.

The web doesn't count.

The Cyberhome players can be hacked, hell, even some of the newer
Toshibas can be, with very simple remote keypresses.

That makes them illicit to market here, if it can be accessed by the
consumer. The fact that they ARE marketed here doesn't make them any
less sub-conformal to the standard. Are any of those marketers based
here? I doubt it.

 

[DarkMatter]

Not it's not illegal to bypass a copy protection mechanism. It's
illegal to defeat it. So if you could do a bit for bit copy that
wouldn't violate the DMCA. And of course if the DVD were not copy
protected then copying it would also not be illegal.

Making a file able to be read and copied from an encrypted DVD IS
defeating it, dipshit.

The law isn't about screwing with hardware to "defeat" the scheme,
it is about ANY use of the stream for other than standard viewing
purposes. If you decrypt, you are guilty. Period. Operation of a
disc in a normal player does not fall under the illicit decryption
rules.

So yes, it IS illegal because it is not a bypass, you jack-off.
Applying the bypass allow for the DEFEAT of the scheme, so applying
the bypass IS defeating the scheme, and DOES fall under the scope of
illicit behavior.

 

[DarkMatter]

Dick Sidbury wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:48:21 -0500]:

Colon Terminus wrote on [Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:16 GMT]:

No, NOT illegal to copy a DVD.
Illegal to circumvent the encryption on a DVD.


Yes, illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to bypass a copy protection
mechanism. Therefore, by copying it you are bypassing it.

Not it's not illegal to bypass a copy protection mechanism. It's
illegal to defeat it. So if you could do a bit for bit copy that
wouldn't violate the DMCA. And of course if the DVD were not copy
protected then copying it would also not be illegal.

By copying a copy protected DVD you are defeating the copy protection
mechanism. If you weren't defeating it then you wouldn't be copying it.

Thank you. That was much more succinct than my reply was.