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[Tom MacIntyre]

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It wouldn't take a quarter of our early air-burst nuclear tests to
turn Islam into a meaningless religion of a few impoverished bedouins.
We survived those pretty well.

-Steve

Collateral damage?

Tom

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

So who gives a **** what they want? Are they holding you at
gunpoint?

Slavery depends on the consent of the slave.

Thanks,
Rich

I'm sure black America is really in approval of this line. :-(

Tom

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

As did I. Actually thats precisely why I did not take English as a
subject in 7th form (final year in high school). In 6th form we studied
a poem by NZ poet Sam Hunt. Like all of his poems, it was simple and
direct, but our teacher disagreed with the entire class as to what the
poem was about. That year Sam Hunt visited our school (he is a great
live show - hilarious, with a unique, captivating voice) and spent 1/4
an hour with our 6th form class. Naturally we asked about the poem, and
he duly agreed with us - much to our delight, and our teachers chagrin.
Nevertheless after Sam Hunt left, when we begin to take the teacher to
task, he let rip with something along the lines of:

"well thats what he might think he meant, but subconsciously...."

When the "new math" was introduced in our school, our principal stated
that Base 2 and binary weren't the same.

which was greeted with hoots of derision, IIRC I got caned for saying
"**** off" or words to that effect. But we wrote what the teacher wanted
to hear, and passed, and I concluded that it was all a load of bollocks
and concentrated on physics instead, leading me to a career of blowing
things up rather than that of a wordsmith.

Sounds like working for the government...say what they want to hear.

Tom

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

Honest though, thats what the guy said. We didnt get on very well. Once
after I got caned (6 of the best) for being disruptive, as I walked back
in somebody asked if it hurt - nah, I said, and was promptly marched
back outside for 6 more. I kept my mouth shut when I came back in, it
was starting to hurt by then

Still, it could have been worse. One of the woodwork teachers used to
take you outside, and make you bend over with your head sticking thru
the doorway whilst being caned, so the whole class looked at your face.
Another would make you bend over and stick your head underneath a desk,
so when you got caned you also smacked your head on the underside of the
desk. One teacher in particular, Harrison Ngatai (we used to call him
Nasty Harry) was banned from caning after managing to draw blood on one
poor bastard - big arms, thin cane. And my buddy Diz(zy Gillespie) got
caned in the back of the head, when Stock missed his arse. A week later
Diz was writing "stock is a wanker" on the blackboard when, unbeknownst
to Diz, Mr Stock walked in, and whacked Diz in the back of the head,
breaking his nose on the blackboard. That was 3rd form french, a real
fun class. One earthquake drill, instead of getting under our desks
(which Stock did) we threw our desks ontop of his, burying him under a
large pile. He used to swear underhis breath at the students, and
eventually left to take up a job at the all-girls school down the road.
6 months later he had a nervous breakdown, apparently the girls made us
look like amateurs

If I was the father of any of these children, I'd have beaten the tar
out of any of these monsters, or would have at least attempted to. If
it's okay in a society to beat up children, I'd suspect a lawyer could
argue that I'd have that right with the ass, er, teachers as well.

The summer break between my 6th and 7th form years, the government
banned corporal punishment in schools. A shame i think - I certainly
learned consequences - do what you must, but pay the price

Corporal punishment for my child is MY right, and MY decision, not
that of anyone else.

Tom

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

this is quite correct (sorry for the screw up in which I mistook you for
DMO'C). My entire point is that the original argument (basically
socialist countries do it therefore dems are socialist) was stupid - for
exactly the reason you pointed out, and clarified nicely here. My
mis-reading the name led me to argue that DMO'C contradicted himself
when in fact he did not - you pointed out the fallacious argument.

I'll try to read harder next time....

Maybe you got caned a few times too many...

Tom

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

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No, my figures are for the USA.
But the US economy is a major part of the world economy.
In Europe it takes nearly 40% of the people to own half of everything.
Wealth is MUCH more concentrated in few hands in the USA!

http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/WealthDist_TheNation.pdf

Aren't you in that category? I probably am at present, and income is
not nearly as skewed in Canada as it is in the US..

Tom

 

[Clarence]

Corporal punishment for my child is MY right, and MY decision, not
that of anyone else.

Tom

That was my stepfathers line, until I broke his nose!
His weapon of choice was a broom stick.
I just used my fist!

If you have to use corporal punishment, you are an unfit parent!

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

Collateral damage?

That's not what's stopping them. What is stopping them is that they
wouldn't be able to get the oil for many years.

Notwithstanding the evil of mass murder on such an incomprehensible
scale.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

I'm sure black America is really in approval of this line. :-(

Hey, I didn't invent the way reality works, I merely report it.

Sorry that the facts aren't in alignment with your fantasies.

If they're pissed off about the slavery thing, they should take
it up with their African cousins that sold them to the rich white
traders.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

That was my stepfathers line, until I broke his nose!
His weapon of choice was a broom stick.
I just used my fist!

If you have to use corporal punishment, you are an unfit parent!

You just admitted that you used corporal punishment on your
step-father (actually, depending on the circumstances, you may have
assaulted him). The only difference is you used a part of your own
body, and you seem to have had a good reason.

It's only one of several options, and always the final one. A light
tap or two on the ass with an open hand is not likely to hurt anyone;
I am not taliking about drawing blood and/or inflicting pain, it's
about sending a message. Numerous courts are on my side in this in
North America. Broomsticks, paint stirring sticks, army belts, the
"strap", caning...the weapons of cowards. Thankfully times have
changed.

I am reaonably sure that it was actually NOT your step-father's line,
either...I am sure he was quite happy for you to be beaten first by a
teacher before he repeated the act. Accept my apologies if I am wrong.

Thanks for snipping the more relevant part of my post...must be a
by-product of your (unfair) corporal punishment, perhaps, to remove
evidence that may prove you wrong.

Have you broken anyone else's nose?

Have a nice day.

Tom

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

That's not what's stopping them. What is stopping them is that they
wouldn't be able to get the oil for many years.

Notwithstanding the evil of mass murder on such an incomprehensible
scale.

There are precedents...

Tom

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

Hi Rich,

I hope you dont mind if I pinch your
"ROFLMAOPIMP<*gasp*>LOL<*gasp*>ROFLMAOA<*gasp*>" line and claim it as my
own

But of course! You _are_ its Creator, after all. ;-)

[was gonna snip the rest, as I have no more comment other than
hysterical gut-busting laughter, but it's too good to throw away]

Thanks!
Rich

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

That was my stepfathers line, until I broke his nose!
His weapon of choice was a broom stick.
I just used my fist!

If you have to use corporal punishment, you are an unfit parent!

But, weren't you for Bush?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Martin]

Am Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:45:59 GMT schrieb Tom MacIntyre

You just admitted that you used corporal punishment on your
step-father (actually, depending on the circumstances, you may have
assaulted him). The only difference is you used a part of your own
body, and you seem to have had a good reason.

It depends on the situation, it could have been, very likely, just self
defense in an assault from his stepfather - we dont really know.

 

[Clarence]

You just admitted that you used corporal punishment on your
step-father (actually, depending on the circumstances, you may have
assaulted him). The only difference is you used a part of your own
body, and you seem to have had a good reason.

Your speculation is unwarranted and absurd! Corporal punishment is not the
same as self defense! It was Self Defense! No crime there. Last time he hit me
it broke my collar bone. Like yourself he thought it was his "RIGHT" When he
learned I could have him put in prison, he apologized, like that helped! He
was trying to get me arrested, but the police had another view!

No, I have never broken anyone else's noise, but I did shoot a burglar in the
knee!
Self defense is always justified!

You seem to be defending the indefensible!

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

When the "new math" was introduced in our school, our principal stated
that Base 2 and binary weren't the same.
http://www.google.com/search?q="tom+lehrer"+"new+math"


Sounds like working for the government...say what they want to hear.

Yup.

;^j
Cheers!
Rich

 

[Terry Given]

blanket statements are easy to make but inevitably fail the real-world
test. Just what do you do with the child who insists on running across
the road in front of cars? I ask that because we had an interesting case
publicised in NZ a few years back - a parent was walloping their kids
arse in public, and a neighbour called the police (it is still legal to
smack your kids here). Turns out the kid runs across roads. They fenced
& locked their property, and in this case had locked him inside his
room, but he smashed the window, escaped and was playing chicken with
cars when his mum found him and gave him a hiding. Their defence (apart
from the fact it wasnt illegal) - what the hell else can they do? they
dont want him to die.....

You just admitted that you used corporal punishment on your
step-father (actually, depending on the circumstances, you may have
assaulted him). The only difference is you used a part of your own
body, and you seem to have had a good reason.

It's only one of several options, and always the final one. A light
tap or two on the ass with an open hand is not likely to hurt anyone;
I am not taliking about drawing blood and/or inflicting pain, it's
about sending a message. Numerous courts are on my side in this in
North America. Broomsticks, paint stirring sticks, army belts, the
"strap", caning...the weapons of cowards. Thankfully times have
changed.

I have yet to hit my (9.5yr old) daughter. I doubt the need will arise,
but should it I will not hesitate. I hardly even need to punish her -
when she misbehaves, I explain to her what will happen if she continues,
and that the outcome is entirely her choice. Because I am very
consistent (with a minimal set of rules too) Kate knows I will do
exactly what I say, and almost always chooses to end the bad behaviour.
I have found it to be a very effective technique, which has the added
advantage of teaching her about consequences. It didnt start to work so
effectively until she was 5 or so, and had developed a sufficient
vocabulary to understand the conversations; prior to that the bad
behaviour was punished (usually by being sent to bed, even at 10am)

I am reaonably sure that it was actually NOT your step-father's line,
either...I am sure he was quite happy for you to be beaten first by a
teacher before he repeated the act. Accept my apologies if I am wrong.

Thanks for snipping the more relevant part of my post...must be a
by-product of your (unfair) corporal punishment, perhaps, to remove
evidence that may prove you wrong.

Have you broken anyone else's nose?

Have a nice day.

Tom

Cheers
Terry

 

[Terry Given]

Maybe you got caned a few times too many...

Tom

LOL

Nah, I blame the drugs

Cheers
Terry

 

[Clarence]

blanket statements are easy to make but inevitably fail the real-world
test. Just what do you do with the child who insists on running across
the road in front of cars? I ask that because we had an interesting case
publicised in NZ a few years back - a parent was walloping their kids
arse in public, and a neighbour called the police (it is still legal to
smack your kids here). Turns out the kid runs across roads. They fenced
& locked their property, and in this case had locked him inside his
room, but he smashed the window, escaped and was playing chicken with
cars when his mum found him and gave him a hiding. Their defence (apart
from the fact it wasnt illegal) - what the hell else can they do? they
dont want him to die.....

So beat him up and chain him in the basement? You can I suppose justify any
cruel treatment, You are full of it!

Nuts, you are so irrational it is not possible to have an exchange of ideas.
But anyone who would beat their kids should be publicly shamed!

You clearly have nothing of value to say, and no shame!

<snipped unnecessary verbiage>

 

[Terry Given]

So beat him up and chain him in the basement? You can I suppose justify any
cruel treatment, You are full of it!

I didnt justify anything, I merely posed a real scenario and asked a
question. YOU suggested beating & chaining in a basement.

Nuts, you are so irrational it is not possible to have an exchange of ideas.
But anyone who would beat their kids should be publicly shamed!

and yet you are. Hmm.

You clearly have nothing of value to say, and no shame!

OK then Clarence, seeing as you are so rational - how would you prevent
this particular kid (IIRC he was 4 and therefore not amenable to
discussion) from playing chicken in traffic.

Or would you refrain from smacking him, then be surprised when he gets
killed?

Cheers
Terry (who has yet to smack his 9-year old daughter)