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Clocky

Jan 1, 1970
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Russell Shaw said:
iinet took over netspace in 2010, but the newsgroups in netspace still
work the same.


Yes but there has been talk again and Internode dropped usenet for a short
period a couple of years ago but backed down and reinstated the text-only
groups due to pressure from customers.

They found out word of mouth cuts both ways I guess.
 
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D Walford

Jan 1, 1970
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Yes but there has been talk again and Internode dropped usenet for a short
period a couple of years ago but backed down and reinstated the text-only
groups due to pressure from customers.

I was one of those customers who applied the pressure, rang up to cancel
the account and when asked why they were told no Newsgroups and it was
fixed very quickly, its staggering that a lot of people who work for
ISP's have no idea what usenet is.


Daryl
 
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Clocky

Jan 1, 1970
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D said:
I was one of those customers who applied the pressure, rang up to
cancel the account and when asked why they were told no Newsgroups
and it was fixed very quickly, its staggering that a lot of people
who work for ISP's have no idea what usenet is.

I rang up to cancel a number of accounts for people who I recommended
Internode to because they had a usenet service. They must have had many more
complaints then what they had bargained for.

I don't know about now (after iiNets meddling) but last time I spoke to
Internode service regarding a problem connecting to the usenet server the
young bloke I spoke to knew exactly what it usenet was and what to check
(had already checked the obvious stuff).
 
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D Walford

Jan 1, 1970
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I rang up to cancel a number of accounts for people who I recommended
Internode to because they had a usenet service. They must have had many more
complaints then what they had bargained for.

I don't know about now (after iiNets meddling) but last time I spoke to
Internode service regarding a problem connecting to the usenet server the
young bloke I spoke to knew exactly what it usenet was and what to check
(had already checked the obvious stuff).
There had to be at least in the organisation that knew:)


Daryl
 
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F Murtz

Jan 1, 1970
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D said:
There had to be at least in the organisation that knew:)


Daryl
There may be but no one in telstra knows where the cave that the ancient
one with a beard hides in
 
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Albm&ctd

Jan 1, 1970
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It's been on the blink for bloody years and years. It was one of the
reasons (and believe me I had a few reasons I had to go with them at
all, since I lived 'off the grid' (socially, not geographically) and
didn't even have a bank account for close to a decade, and they were one
of the few that would go with billing and paying by the month)

It wouldn't work for cable customers at all but would for adsl and every
time I rang them about it they would say either 'it's working' (despite
big threads on whirlpool that it wasn't) or worse still they'd say 'this
is the tech advice line, this is only for where you ring up if you can't
configure your modem or something' or other nonsense - in other words
there isn't actually any real process (or wasn't back then not too many
years ago) to report problems that are clearly at THEIR end (like the
fact that any time a shaped account was slowed, it'd regularly
experience server time outs and not let you download your emails if
there was more than about 5-6 (and I was getting about 50-100 per day)
as it'd take too long and get a time out. Why the **** they slowed the
email side of things I'll never know, since it's direct to bigpond, no
need for bandwith outside of there. Occasionally you'd get honest people
on the tech line and they'd say 'look we are aware of the issue, we keep
telling them, but they mumble mumble mumble (reading between the lines
they were saying 'we are reporting it but nobody gives a **** and has no
plans or capability to fix it).

A good friend of mine is upper management at telstra and he has told me
that when Sol came in, he was tasked with getting everyone onto the new
billing scheme. Much of the stuff he did completely fucked everything
else about the service, but he and his crew just kept using the wanker
analogy 'look if you have a race car, even if it crosses the finish line
first, upside down, on its roof and on fire, you have done the job'. I
just wish someone had told them 'yes and then you move on and we have to
rebuild a race car, a driver has either died or will spend the next
decade getting skin grafts and in enormous pain, and the team will go
bankrupt, but 'hey' we won the race right?

And that's about the size of it. He genuinely expects it could take till
post 2020 before it is fully sorted, so much harm and butchery was done.



I'm not going to say it is perfect, but a mate and myself (at separate
locations) both went to TPG adsl. I even went to the trouble of now
having both a bank account AND a credit card (the one thing previously
preventing me from switching). There's been the odd day or two here and
there that the service (including usenet) has been up and down, but
particularly rarely, and I'm BLOODY happy with the price/value for
money.

Most of the stuff I do on the net is text/information related (yes I'm
the 0.001% of internet users who didn't get online primarily for porn!)
though I do download/live stream some motorsport stuff (all legally of
course) and I'm happy with it all. I don't know how well tpg does usenet
in general, but the groups I read/post to (not many I'll admit) are aus.
based mostly, and I don't seem to be missing anything.
Oh no, this post will take me 7 years to read, by then I could be dead.

Al
 
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F Murtz

Jan 1, 1970
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Jeßus said:
Heh, so nothing has changed since I was on BPC I see :)
Have narrowed problem down to my end,a telstra personage who had never
heard of usenet till now (has been there 7 years), installed my
particulars on their computer and it worked and he is going to ring back.
I have since resurrected (put together) another computer and bigpond
usenet won't work on it either so I have nutted out something is amiss
betwixt me, modem and broadband.
Something in the orrible Thompson contraption has gone amiss so it will
have to be reconfigured or chucked and replaced with my spare
It will not connect with port 119 (server rejects request)
 
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Jeßus

Jan 1, 1970
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Have narrowed problem down to my end,a telstra personage who had never
heard of usenet till now (has been there 7 years), installed my
particulars on their computer and it worked and he is going to ring back.
I have since resurrected (put together) another computer and bigpond
usenet won't work on it either so I have nutted out something is amiss
betwixt me, modem and broadband.
Something in the orrible Thompson contraption has gone amiss so it will
have to be reconfigured or chucked and replaced with my spare
It will not connect with port 119 (server rejects request)

Sounds like the port is being blocked by your modem/router...
Can you connect to another Usenet server on port 119?
Does PigBond use ports other than 119 on their Useless server? If so,
you could try another port.
 
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Jeßus

Jan 1, 1970
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There may be but no one in telstra knows where the cave that the ancient
one with a beard hides in

No doubt too busy fondling their Linux ISOs anyway...
 
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F Murtz

Jan 1, 1970
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Jeßus said:
Sounds like the port is being blocked by your modem/router...
Can you connect to another Usenet server on port 119?
Does PigBond use ports other than 119 on their Useless server? If so,
you could try another port.


Now there is a funny thing, eternal-september works on port 119 but
bigpong rejects it.I asked the expert that had never heard of usenet
whether bigpong had nother port but he said no.
When I had the bloke on the phone he got me to try to connect to port
119 from command line but it would not,it just hung.
How would my modem stop bigpong from connecting through 119 but allow
eternal sept?
 
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F Murtz

Jan 1, 1970
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F said:
Now there is a funny thing, eternal-september works on port 119 but
bigpong rejects it.I asked the expert that had never heard of usenet
whether bigpong had nother port but he said no.
When I had the bloke on the phone he got me to try to connect to port
119 from command line but it would not,it just hung.
How would my modem stop bigpong from connecting through 119 but allow
eternal sept?


Another funny thing, how come none of my posts are getting through to
aus.electronics from eternal sept but they are getting through to
aus.cars from eternal-sept
 
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Toby Ponsenby

Jan 1, 1970
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I tried seting it up with both IE and seamonkey

When I try to connect to server with either seamonkey or IE it pretends
to start downloading groups and just stops.
In the case of IE at least it says,The tcp/ip connection was
unexpectedly terminated by the server.

umm.... do try and get your paws on a decent newsreader...

I mean a real one, not a pretend one:)
 
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Toby Ponsenby

Jan 1, 1970
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Oh no, this post will take me 7 years to read, by then I could be dead.

Al

Shit Al, you really should have top-posted that one...
 
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Toby Ponsenby

Jan 1, 1970
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Sounds like the port is being blocked by your modem/router...
Can you connect to another Usenet server on port 119?
Does PigBond use ports other than 119 on their Useless server? If so,
you could try another port.

Try 80, and see what happens.
 
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F Murtz

Jan 1, 1970
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Toby said:
umm.... do try and get your paws on a decent newsreader...

I mean a real one, not a pretend one:)
Seamonkey works and is not the cause of my immediate problem.
It is something to do with bigpond and my modem.
eternal-september works through port 119 and my modem but bigpond
terminates with port 119 and my modem.
 
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F Murtz

Jan 1, 1970
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Toby said:
Try 80, and see what happens.
Tried port 80 still rejected.
when bigpong tech tried it at his end using my particulars on his
machine usenet worked (port 119)
more than one different computers connected through my modem are
rejected by bigpong server.
 
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Gary S

Jan 1, 1970
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Hey All,

Got something strange going on with Bigpond Usenet access.

Works fine at work, on ADSL2+, Windows 7 through Windows live mail.

At home have had occasional loss of access over the last few months, turning
into no service at all over the last few weeks, Using ADSL2+, Windows XP &
outlook express.

Same settings on news.bigpond.com, using port 119. Neither computers have
login / password...

Did try to contact big pond via email via a tech contact that was very
helpful when our exchange had a meltdown, who understood a lot about the
older services like usenet etc, but there is no reply to my email, and I
don't even feel like wasting my time with a call to tech. assistance.

Any ideas from anyone who frequents here would be appreciated...

Cheers,

Gary.


"F Murtz" wrote in message
Toby said:
Try 80, and see what happens.
Tried port 80 still rejected.
when bigpong tech tried it at his end using my particulars on his
machine usenet worked (port 119)
more than one different computers connected through my modem are
rejected by bigpong server.
 
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