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Measuring Bullet Speed

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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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Mike Harding said:
A different one to you Phil, I suspect :)




** Must be so - the laws of nature are all topsy turvy wherever you
are.

Parallel Universe I expect.





......... Phil
 
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onestone

Jan 1, 1970
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The two simplest ways are optical and microwave. Optical is cheap and
simple. Microwave is a bit more expensive , but also reasonably simple.
The best method for optical, assuming you are using this for test
firing, and not 'live', is to use a dark box or tube with a pair of
linear sensors placed about 1m apart, depending upon needs/space etc.
Illuminate these with a collimated laser set to give an elongated beam
aligned along the sensor array. Configure the sensors at each end in an
OR arrangement such that any sensor losing the signal causes a pulse
output. Then simply measure the two edges using a micro. The faster the
micro the better the resolution, and more accurate the measurement. With
a muzzle velocity of 1600m/s and a spacing of 1m the time between pulses
will be 625usecs. An 8MHz clock would give you 5000 clock pulses. 4999
clocks would be equivalent to 1600.32m/s, while 5001 would be 1599.68.

Alternatively 24GHz DROs can be had quite cheaply, and a 26dB gain horn
is reasonably simple to construct. simply align the DCO and its
recording circuitry alongside the muzzle, and aimed in the same
direction. The doppler frequency gives the velocity quite accurately.
Thsi has the added advantage of being useful for 'live' firing. You
might even get away with one of the cheap 10GHz DROs with patch antennas.

Al
 
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Ian Cameron

Jan 1, 1970
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.... snip ...

Well, well, the people you meet 'round here!

Ian.
 
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Chris Hoffmann

Jan 1, 1970
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^^^^^^
??

I want to know what Phil has against shellfish?

[snip]
A different one to you Phil, I suspect :)

Mike Harding

Chris.
 
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Oldus Fartus

Jan 1, 1970
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^^^^^^
??

I want to know what Phil has against shellfish?

[snip]

I thought it was just me that had a mental picture of molluscs flying
through the air at breakneck speeds.
 
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Mike Harding

Jan 1, 1970
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^^^^^^
??

I want to know what Phil has against shellfish?

There's nothing more dangerous than a wounded mussel :)
(With apologies to Bruce)

Mike Harding
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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I want to know what Phil has against shellfish?


** Ask the Microsoft spellchecker - it has some weird ideas.



........... Phil
 
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Mark Harriss

Jan 1, 1970
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Fat said:
I'm toying with the idea of building a chronometer for measuring bullet
speed. Just want to get some opinions on the best type of sensors to use.

My basic idea was to have two sensors a fixed distance apart (1m for
arguments
sake). When the bullet pass through the first sensor, zero a timer. When
it pass the second sensor, read the timer, work out speed.

thanks.



What about a metre long box with parallel pairs of vertical strip
mirrors at each end (out of copiers). You get a cheap laser pointer beam
to bounce back and forth between the mirrors at an angle close to 90 deg
so that there is a good chance of the bullet interupting the beam and use
a set at each end to stop and start the timer.
 
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Alan Peake

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm toying with the idea of building a chronometer for measuring bullet speed.
Just want to get some opinions on the best type of sensors to use.

Most chronographs use "sky screens". These are just photodiodes at the bottom
of a slit so they see a small piece of sky. When a bullet passes over them,
the diode changes it's resistance slightly. Each diode in one design is
in a feedback circuit of an op-amp with AGC to take care of varying ambient
light. The op-amp outputs are squared up and then the digital circuitry is
straightforward. Mine uses a clock of 4 MHz and the screens are about 300mm
apart. Accurate to about +/- 5 feet per second under most conditions.
Cheap chronographs in Aust used to be the CHRONY brand and the base model was
around $140.
Alan
 
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Alan Peake

Jan 1, 1970
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The two simplest ways are optical and microwave. Optical is cheap and

Actually, an even cheaper and simpler system was the old "Break Screen" system
where two fire wire grids were set up a known distance apart. The bullet
breaks the wire as it passes through. The disadvantage was having to replace
the wires for each shot. The advent of the sky screens rendered the break
screens obsolete.
Alan
 
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