Oil prices climb to $101.11 a barrel...

[Martin Griffith]

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to
live at the expense of everybody else." - Claude F. Bastiat
(1801-1850)

Cheers,
James Arthur

That quote is worthy of Mencken


martin

 

[Jim Thompson]

[...]

Mostly no quarrel there, and I agree that biofuel's a bad idea.
Greenies and other conspiracy-types think there's some easy,
suppressed solution. There isn't.

Everyone wants magic, wants it free, and don't bother us with the
details. Government, in the business of pleasing people, is more than
happy to oblige...politicians of both parties *love* to spend money on
their constituents, no matter what the cause.

I got the magic to double the MPG, just because I'm funny doesn't mean
the
magic doesn't exist. I've been driving a (doubled MPG) Mercedes and
Infiniti for over two years now. I gave one to my gf, and she loves my
technology.

...Jim Thompson

Nah, you don't even have the technology to properly imitate Jim.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Too late, you lose.



...Jim Thompson
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[Jim Thompson]

That quote is worthy of Mencken


martin

May I disagree with you?



...Jim Thompson
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[Don Klipstein]

In <eaf758ca-95b5-45d3-8456-7db843f12e33@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
James Arthur wrote:

You can thank the biofuel craze for that. Planting for burning drives
up food from supply *and* demand sides, plus all the downstream
products--and in other countries--too.

Unintended consequences:

1. Al Gore sounds alarm
2. biofuel craze
3. farmers grow feedstock for cars instead of people

Results:
4. Human misery increased
a. inflation, locally
b. food becomes unaffordable in Mexico and Haiti
c. people starve

5. Environment not improved
a. replacement food grown, appallingly inefficiently
b. net CO2 emissions increase

I don't see 5b being true. The food plants is are replaced from carbon
already in the environment. If this achieves any reduction in consumption
in fossil fuels, then it achieves a decrease in transfer of carbon from
the lithosphere to the atmosphere, biosphere and hydrosphere.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Martin Griffith]

May I disagree with you?



...Jim Thompson

Don't we always?



martin

 

[James Arthur]

In <eaf758ca-95b5-45d3-8456-7db843f12...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,

James Arthur wrote:







I don't see 5b being true. The food plants is are replaced from carbon
already in the environment. If this achieves any reduction in consumption
in fossil fuels, then it achieves a decrease in transfer of carbon from
the lithosphere to the atmosphere, biosphere and hydrosphere.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

There was a paper out recently on that.

The problem not previously considered is that any food not grown here
has to be replaced. That means it has to be grown somewhere else,
generally under more primitive conditions (e.g. slash & burn (shudder)
or just otherwise less efficiently).

Since the planting-for-biofuel barely yields more than it consumes in
tractor fuel, etc., to start with, any overall loss in efficiency
results in net increased emissions. So say the paper's authors,
anyhow.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[James Arthur]

There was a paper out recently on that.

The problem not previously considered is that any food not grown here
has to be replaced. That means it has to be grown somewhere else,
generally under more primitive conditions (e.g. slash & burn (shudder)
or just otherwise less efficiently).

Since the planting-for-biofuel barely yields more than it consumes in
tractor fuel, etc., to start with, any overall loss in efficiency
results in net increased emissions. So say the paper's authors,
anyhow.

Summary here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18784732

--James

 

[Simon S Aysdie]

http://silentpc.org/university/bastiat.php

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to
live at the expense of everybody else." - Claude F. Bastiat
(1801-1850)

It really is a fiction, and I guess we can take that to mean people
love fiction. There is, however, somebody benefiting:

http://www.forbes.com/realestate/20..._mw_0122realestate_slide.html?thisSpeed=30000
http://www.forbes.com/realestate/20...w_0122realestate_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=30000

Guvmint lining guvmint pockets -- who woulda ever thunk it?

 

[Jerry G.]

It is very likely, the crude oil price per barrel may get up to about
$120 to $140 by the mid or end of the summer. The reasons are many.
This means that the price of fuel will most likely rise by at least
another 20%. There are futures contracts out on crude oil for a price
point of $200 per barrel by year 2010.

The price of oil is rising faster than the normal rate of inflation.
This will contribute to the cost of most everything we have. The rate
of infation will be difficult to keep up with.

One of the causes for all of this is from the massive out-sourcing of
manufacturing in foreign countries to have lower labour cost, and from
letting our society become more dependend on other countries for
energy and materials.

From all that is going on, North America and most of Europe will
become a third world economy. We will no longer be able to afford to
live at the standard of living that we are used to. It will take a
very big change of attitude and the way of doing things to fix the
problem.



Jerry G.
======

 

[David L. Jones]

It is very likely, the crude oil price per barrel may get up to about
$120 to $140 by the mid or end of the summer. The reasons are many.
This means that the price of fuel will most likely rise by at least
another 20%.

So why didn't the petrol price go up 700% since oil was $15 back in
1999?
As you say, the reasons are many, but one thing is for sure, petrol
prices have had very little in the way of linear correlation with oil
price.

Dave.

 

[John Larkin]

It is very likely, the crude oil price per barrel may get up to about
$120 to $140 by the mid or end of the summer. The reasons are many.
This means that the price of fuel will most likely rise by at least
another 20%. There are futures contracts out on crude oil for a price
point of $200 per barrel by year 2010.

The price of oil is rising faster than the normal rate of inflation.
This will contribute to the cost of most everything we have. The rate
of infation will be difficult to keep up with.

One of the causes for all of this is from the massive out-sourcing of
manufacturing in foreign countries to have lower labour cost, and from
letting our society become more dependend on other countries for
energy and materials.

From all that is going on, North America and most of Europe will
become a third world economy. We will no longer be able to afford to
live at the standard of living that we are used to. It will take a
very big change of attitude and the way of doing things to fix the
problem.

What we won't be able to afford is wasting energy as senselessly as we
do now. The average USian could cut his energy use in half without
extreme distress.

The main cause of the energy shortage is the fact that the Chinese,
the Indians, the Africans, and the South Americans are increasing both
population and per-capita energy use. Imagine if every family in India
and every family in China had central heating and a car.

We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

John

 

[Clifford Heath]

We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

A very large percentage of that capability is due to the use of
nitrogenous fertilizers, manufactured from natural or petroleum
gas via the Haber-Bosch process for ammonia. The Chinese make
more than a quarter of the world's production, but basically -
guess what - the ability to store energy in your cereal crops and
in your "biofuels", comes predominantly from below the ground,
not from the sun. Without fossil fertilizer, 90% of the world's
production of grain would cease.

The fossil fuel crisis is first and foremost a *food* crisis, the
cost of fuel for transport is just the leading edge.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Don't we always?

You should. You're replying to a forged message, posted through
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[John Larkin]

You can thank the biofuel craze for that. Planting for burning drives
up food from supply *and* demand sides, plus all the downstream
products--and in other countries--too.

Unintended consequences:

1. Al Gore sounds alarm
2. biofuel craze
3. farmers grow feedstock for cars instead of people

Results:
4. Human misery increased
a. inflation, locally
b. food becomes unaffordable in Mexico and Haiti
c. people starve

5. Environment not improved
a. replacement food grown, appallingly inefficiently
b. net CO2 emissions increase


Best wishes,
James Arthur

So they gave the Nobel Peace Prize to a mass murderer.

John

 

[John Larkin]

A very large percentage of that capability is due to the use of
nitrogenous fertilizers, manufactured from natural or petroleum
gas via the Haber-Bosch process for ammonia. The Chinese make
more than a quarter of the world's production, but basically -
guess what - the ability to store energy in your cereal crops and
in your "biofuels", comes predominantly from below the ground,
not from the sun. Without fossil fertilizer, 90% of the world's
production of grain would cease.

The fossil fuel crisis is first and foremost a *food* crisis, the
cost of fuel for transport is just the leading edge.

Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"


John

 

[Vladimir Vassilevsky]

Don't worry. They will eat you up.

Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"

What business? What oil? The oil it what Iraq is intended for.


VLV

 

[John Larkin]

Don't worry. They will eat you up.


What business? What oil? The oil it what Iraq is intended for.


VLV

What logic? What syntax?

John

 

[John S]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/feb/26/food.unitednations

 

[Vladimir Vassilevsky]

What logic?

I don't see any logic either. If the Iraq is colonized, then why the oil
is $101.11 ?

What syntax?

Should learn hispanic?

VLV

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

I don't see any logic either. If the Iraq is colonized, then why the oil
is $101.11 ?


Should learn hispanic?

My might as well. Your 'english' doesn't make much sense.


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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida