Stupid Human tricks

[Crash Gordon®]

3- 7/8 x 8- 7/8 fits standard folded 8.5 x 11 invoice. I had to "massage" the invoice in Quick Books Pro a tad for the address to be correct but that only took a few tries.


| What size is your envelope?
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| Jim Rojas
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| | I use Globe-Weis 266759... 19 bucks for 500
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| | | I use AMPAD # 74023 from Wallymart.
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| | Size: 8 7/8 x 3 7/8
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| | Jim Rojas
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| | > Jim Rojas wrote:
| | >> Box of 80 double window envelopes is under $4 at Wallymart.
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| | > Hmmm, I'll have to take a look to see what Walmart charges up here.
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[Norm Mugford]

I bought me a Brother HL1440 laser printer. It won't print the address in
the proper orientation on any envelope. It insists on printing the address
sideways. Mickeysoft told me to edit the registry value. I've done that with
every number from 0 - 9 and it doesn't make any difference. I've
reconfigured it in the software, downloaded the latest drivers and am
convinced I need a new printer. Brother has no tech support and doesn't
answer their e-mail. The bad part is, this printer is on mickeysoft's
compatible hardware list, so pretty much the list is meaningless. Remember
when we had DOS and everything worked, or if it didn't you could tweak it so
it would work.

Bob

DOS....the good ole days.......
with a quick edit command...you could make the
world turn......


Norm Mugford

 

[Dave]

I can't believe you guys! You screw around trying to print things on
window envelopes, buy double-window envelopes at Wal-Mart, waste more
time trying to fold everything precisely, buy a new printer, and waste
two days trying to get your billing done. All because you're too cheap
to order preprinted envelopes!

Actually, the trick is to call an envelope company, not your regular
printer, and to order at least 2500 single-window envelopes. You'll
find you can get your envelopes printed exactly the way you like them
for about $125.

When you figure in the cost of blank envelopes, the cost of inkjet ink
or laser toner, and the cost of your time screwing around with printing
them, I think you'll find it's way cheaper to let the professionals do
the printing for you.

It's just like alarms. Let the professionals do their jobs, and quit
trying to be a DIY printer!

 

[Dave]

Of course. Take a look at just about any bill you get from a large
company: phone, electric, credit card, and so on. Is there a return
envelope? Hell yes, there's a return envelope! It looks small-time
and cheap not to include one. It pisses off your customer when they
have to find their own envelope, and then copy down your address.

And no, they don't expect you to provide a stamp. The bank, phone
company, and other businesses don't provide stamped return envelopes.
You pay the postage to send them a bill, they pay the postage to send
you a check.

If you use preprinted return envelopes with bar codes, you'll find you
even get your money a bit quicker. And as I said in a previous
message, buy the envelopes in bulk, and they're not that expensive.

 

[Jim]

I can't believe you guys! You screw around trying to print things on
window envelopes, buy double-window envelopes at Wal-Mart, waste more
time trying to fold everything precisely, buy a new printer, and waste
two days trying to get your billing done. All because you're too cheap
to order preprinted envelopes!

Actually, the trick is to call an envelope company, not your regular
printer, and to order at least 2500 single-window envelopes. You'll
find you can get your envelopes printed exactly the way you like them
for about $125.

When you figure in the cost of blank envelopes, the cost of inkjet ink
or laser toner, and the cost of your time screwing around with printing
them, I think you'll find it's way cheaper to let the professionals do
the printing for you.

It's just like alarms. Let the professionals do their jobs, and quit
trying to be a DIY printer!

Lets see now, Jim R buys double window envelopes at $.05 each at
Walmart and folds them so both addresses show through the windows. Once
it's set up in the print commands and you learn where to fold ........
it's just a routine.

You buy single window envelopes (?), preprinted with return address for
$.05 and (did you figure in shipping charges?) fold them so one address
shows through the window (?). Or, how do you get the customers address
on the envelope?

.......... that doesn't sound like a big difference.

 

[Doug L]

I enclose a single window envelope as the return envelope. The customer
tears off and encloses the payment slip from the bottom of invoice which has
the return address on it the same as a phone bill or credit card statement.
When sending out the invoice I use a double window envelope which seems to
work well, the invoice gets folded on the perforation for the payment slip
and everything aligns OK, there is a tolerance of about 1/2" (1/4" up or
down) so exact alignment is not that critical.

Doug L
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[Crash Gordon®]

you have to fold them anyway...so why buy expensive pre printed envelopes??



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| Dave wrote:
| > I can't believe you guys! You screw around trying to print things on
| > window envelopes, buy double-window envelopes at Wal-Mart, waste more
| > time trying to fold everything precisely, buy a new printer, and waste
| > two days trying to get your billing done. All because you're too cheap
| > to order preprinted envelopes!
| >
| > Actually, the trick is to call an envelope company, not your regular
| > printer, and to order at least 2500 single-window envelopes. You'll
| > find you can get your envelopes printed exactly the way you like them
| > for about $125.
| >
| > When you figure in the cost of blank envelopes, the cost of inkjet ink
| > or laser toner, and the cost of your time screwing around with printing
| > them, I think you'll find it's way cheaper to let the professionals do
| > the printing for you.
| >
| > It's just like alarms. Let the professionals do their jobs, and quit
| > trying to be a DIY printer!
| >
|
|
| Lets see now, Jim R buys double window envelopes at $.05 each at
| Walmart and folds them so both addresses show through the windows. Once
| it's set up in the print commands and you learn where to fold ........
| it's just a routine.
|
| You buy single window envelopes (?), preprinted with return address for
| $.05 and (did you figure in shipping charges?) fold them so one address
| shows through the window (?). Or, how do you get the customers address
| on the envelope?
|
| ......... that doesn't sound like a big difference.
|

 

[Jim]

you have to fold them anyway...so why buy expensive pre printed envelopes??

That was part of my point.

Isn't it easier to buy a double window envelope locally the next time
you go to the store, with out having to go to the trouble of ordering
and paying shipping etc, for preprinted single window envelopes? You
have to fold the bill anyway and both cost $.05. But we don't even
know if shipping was included in the price. So the preprints may cost
more ......

Anyway, it's a moot point.

 

[petem]

Lets see now, Jim R buys double window envelopes at $.05 each at
Walmart and folds them so both addresses show through the windows. Once
it's set up in the print commands and you learn where to fold ........
it's just a routine.

You buy single window envelopes (?), preprinted with return address for
$.05 and (did you figure in shipping charges?) fold them so one address
shows through the window (?). Or, how do you get the customers address
on the envelope?

......... that doesn't sound like a big difference.

if your time doenst count..its ok..but i know the value of my time...and its
not worth it...leave it to the pro in there job..and if it isnt right you
can call them back and ask for a refund..wich you cant do if you did it
yourself..

 

[Crash Gordon®]

i tootally agreee

i only use my purty envelopes to make money...like for proposals, etc.

you have to fold them anyway...so why buy expensive pre printed envelopes??

That was part of my point.

Isn't it easier to buy a double window envelope locally the next time
you go to the store, with out having to go to the trouble of ordering
and paying shipping etc, for preprinted single window envelopes? You
have to fold the bill anyway and both cost $.05. But we don't even
know if shipping was included in the price. So the preprints may cost
more ......

Anyway, it's a moot point.

 

[R.H.Campbell]

Wel..l..l..l..l......I guess you could avoid the problem totally and only do
automatic bank withdrawals.
That's all I do and it saves on envelopes (not counting the overhead costs
in time......)

Just another thought....

RHC

i tootally agreee

i only use my purty envelopes to make money...like for proposals, etc.

 

[Robert L. Bass]

you have to fold them anyway...so why buy

expensive pre printed envelopes??

If you want to DIY your invoices, here's a method we used which worked well,
cost very little and gave professional looking results.

Buy an HP 4050TN* laser printer with an envelope tray. I made a template
that prints the envelopes along with my logo next to our return address plus
the customer address. These are printed from one tray. The invoices are
printed (alternating with envelopes) on standard 20-lb stock from another
paper tray. Each invoice winds up in the output tray on top of the
pre-addressed envelop.

Tick marks are printed just below one-third of the way down from the top of
the invoice to guide in folding the page. You bring the bottom corners up
to the tick marks and crease the page. Fold the top down over to the crease
and you have a perfect tri-fold that looks like it was printed and folded by
one of those Rube Goldbergesque machines from Pitney-Bowes. I did this
years ago before I sold my alarm company.

*By now there's probably a newer model with cooler features but this is what
I used.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Crash Gordon®]

Yah i guess...but I personally had a problem with auto withdrawls by a credit card company (fraud..by the merchant processor) took me over a year to get rid of the withdrawls. The bank wanted 30 bucks to block the withdrawl...ok did that...the next month it's back...all they had to do was change the amount by 1 cent! Oh, yah says the bank...you have to watch for that. Well you can close the account...that would solve the problem...shit what a pain. Anyway, I don't like autowithdraws.


| Wel..l..l..l..l......I guess you could avoid the problem totally and only do
| automatic bank withdrawals.
| That's all I do and it saves on envelopes (not counting the overhead costs
| in time......)
|
| Just another thought....
|
| RHC
|
| | i tootally agreee
|
| i only use my purty envelopes to make money...like for proposals, etc.
|
|
|
|

 

[Frank Olson]

I bought me a Brother HL1440 laser printer. It won't print the address in
the proper orientation on any envelope. It insists on printing the address
sideways. Mickeysoft told me to edit the registry value. I've done that
with every number from 0 - 9 and it doesn't make any difference. I've
reconfigured it in the software, downloaded the latest drivers and am
convinced I need a new printer. Brother has no tech support and doesn't
answer their e-mail. The bad part is, this printer is on mickeysoft's
compatible hardware list, so pretty much the list is meaningless. Remember
when we had DOS and everything worked, or if it didn't you could tweak it
so it would work.

Bob

What program are you using to print the envelops from?? What settings are
you using in the printer dialogue window (you'll usually find that under
"properties")? Have you tried configuring "page setup"?

 

[R.H.Campbell]

No, you don't want anyone else to control it, you do it yourself. The bank
can set you up for very little money.

RHC

Yah i guess...but I personally had a problem with auto withdrawls by a
credit card company (fraud..by the merchant processor) took me over a year
to get rid of the withdrawls. The bank wanted 30 bucks to block the
withdrawl...ok did that...the next month it's back...all they had to do was
change the amount by 1 cent! Oh, yah says the bank...you have to watch for
that. Well you can close the account...that would solve the problem...shit
what a pain. Anyway, I don't like autowithdraws.


| Wel..l..l..l..l......I guess you could avoid the problem totally and only
do
| automatic bank withdrawals.
| That's all I do and it saves on envelopes (not counting the overhead costs
| in time......)
|
| Just another thought....
|
| RHC
|
| | i tootally agreee
|
| i only use my purty envelopes to make money...like for proposals, etc.
|
|
|
|

 

[R.H.Campbell]

Yeah, I hear you. However, I guess it just suits my application because I
don't do commercial accounts (they would never go along with it). All my
customers are residential, and I don't take them on unless they agree with
it right up front. Rarely do I get anyone who won't go for it. Most prefer
it.

Might be a local thing, since most clients here in town are very high
tech...

RHC

 

[Roberto]

What program are you using to print the envelops from?? What settings are
you using in the printer dialogue window (you'll usually find that under
"properties")? Have you tried configuring "page setup"?

Mickeysoft Office Pro 2000. I've been through all the settings in both
Office and the printer. Mickeysoft tells me this problem exists with a few
printers and there is nothing that can be done about it because the printer
drivers aren't compatible. I can print ok from Publisher, Quicken, Tax Cut,
Peachtree and others. It's only Office that messes up. Also, when I'm in
Office and I choose to print many copies of a document, it'll only print one
at a time. Brother and Lexmark seem to be the ones mentioned most in the
Mickysoft NG's as not being compatible with Office. Windoze 2000 had the
correct driver, worked just fine until I upgraded to Windoze XP. Is it
possible to copy a driver from the Win 2000 CD without installing Win 2000?

Bob

 

[Frank Olson]

Mickeysoft Office Pro 2000. I've been through all the settings in both
Office and the printer. Mickeysoft tells me this problem exists with a few
printers and there is nothing that can be done about it because the
printer drivers aren't compatible. I can print ok from Publisher, Quicken,
Tax Cut, Peachtree and others. It's only Office that messes up. Also, when
I'm in Office and I choose to print many copies of a document, it'll only
print one at a time. Brother and Lexmark seem to be the ones mentioned
most in the Mickysoft NG's as not being compatible with Office. Windoze
2000 had the correct driver, worked just fine until I upgraded to Windoze
XP. Is it possible to copy a driver from the Win 2000 CD without
installing Win 2000?

Bob

Windows XP and 2000 are supposedly of the same "family" in that they're both
"NT" based. You might try copying a driver over, but it may be easier to
set up a "2000 box" as a printer server. That would solve your envelope
problem.

 

[Robert L. Bass]

Mickeysoft Office Pro 2000. I've been through

all the settings in both Office and the printer...

It's highly unlikely that the printer is the problem. Since your printer is
able to print the information where it need to be under the control of other
apps, it is almost certainly something in the SW configuration.

Mickeysoft tells me this problem exists with a
few printers and there is nothing that can be
done about it because the printer drivers aren't
compatible...

That's MS' typical blame-the-other-guy response.

 

[Roberto]

It's highly unlikely that the printer is the problem. Since your printer
is able to print the information where it need to be under the control of
other apps, it is almost certainly something in the SW configuration.


That's MS' typical blame-the-other-guy response.

I know, that's why I call them Mickeysoft and refer to Windoze.

Bob