Rigol oscilloscope prices have sky-rocketed!

[David L. Jones]

After 12 months or so of steady decline on prices of the Rigol DS1052E scope
on eBay (and other places), with them being around the US$400 mark or less
for some time now from countless ebay sellers, the price has suddenly jumped
up to US$550 or more from all sellers. There has also been a sudden and
drastic reduction in the number of sellers for this scope.

I've heard that one ebay seller has been acused of "dumping" the scope at
low prices by another seller and has had their listings removed.

and a quote from a cancelled ebay listing:
"We'd like to let you know that eBay has ended an item you were bidding on
for breaching of one or more of our policies. As it's important that eBay
maintains member privacy, we can't tell you exactly why the listing was
removed."

Dealextreme still have them for US$400 though, better get in quick...
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.30573

Dave.

 

[Phil Allison]

"David L. Jones"

After 12 months or so of steady decline on prices of the Rigol DS1052E
scope on eBay (and other places), with them being around the US$400 mark
or less for some time now from countless ebay sellers, the price has
suddenly jumped up to US$550 or more from all sellers. There has also been
a sudden and drastic reduction in the number of sellers for this scope.

I've heard that one ebay seller has been acused of "dumping" the scope at
low prices by another seller and has had their listings removed.

and a quote from a cancelled ebay listing:
"We'd like to let you know that eBay has ended an item you were bidding on
for breaching of one or more of our policies. As it's important that eBay
maintains member privacy, we can't tell you exactly why the listing was
removed."

** Bests Rigol prices seem to be from Aussie on-line dealers at the moment:

Example: A$495 inc delivery

http://purchasenet.com.au/shopping/...pe-2ch-p-1664.html?osCsid=07dbb53dce6efbc6902

Then there is this similar DSO for A$431 inc delivery:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ATTEN-ADS106...Electrical_Test_Equipment?hash=item33584d54b2

So much scope, so little money.....

Might eBay have pulled the plug cos of complaints that Rigol scopes were
sold in a way that avoided local taxes like GST ??



...... Phil

 

[Jamie]

After 12 months or so of steady decline on prices of the Rigol DS1052E scope
on eBay (and other places), with them being around the US$400 mark or less
for some time now from countless ebay sellers, the price has suddenly jumped
up to US$550 or more from all sellers. There has also been a sudden and
drastic reduction in the number of sellers for this scope.

I've heard that one ebay seller has been acused of "dumping" the scope at
low prices by another seller and has had their listings removed.

and a quote from a cancelled ebay listing:
"We'd like to let you know that eBay has ended an item you were bidding on
for breaching of one or more of our policies. As it's important that eBay
maintains member privacy, we can't tell you exactly why the listing was
removed."

Dealextreme still have them for US$400 though, better get in quick...
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.30573

Dave.

$362.90 here
http://www.getbetterlife.com/rigol-...so_p797.html?gclid=CKqsvaPjg58CFRh15QodZWM20w

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THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.
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[PeterD]

'Dumping' doesn't exist on eBay, and they don't remove listings just
because someone lists for less than their competitors.

The only way to find out, is to ask the seller then. But price was not
the issue. It could have been almost anything, but since when eBay
canceles a listing, the entire listing is deleted, there is no way for
anyoneto go back and review it to see why.

As to the slight jump in prices, that's likely just market effects.

 

[David L. Jones]

'Dumping' doesn't exist on eBay, and they don't remove listings just
because someone lists for less than their competitors.


The only way to find out, is to ask the seller then. But price was not
the issue. It could have been almost anything, but since when eBay
canceles a listing, the entire listing is deleted, there is no way for
anyoneto go back and review it to see why.

Someone on my eevblog forum did ask a seller and the rely was:

<quote>
"Hello, Please don't worry, the problem is, an another seller has complaint
by ebay that i'm selling the rigol oscilloscopes at a dumping price"
He then offered to complete the original low price transaction outside of
ebay.

As to the slight jump in prices, that's likely just market effects.

With an almost 40% jump in price and drastic reduction in the number of low
cost sellers, all of it practically overnight, that ain't just market forces
at work. Something has happened.

Dave.

 

[Jon Kirwan]

$362.90 here

I see $411.96.

Jon

 

[Jon Kirwan]

I see $411.96.

Jon

Oh, never mind. I didn't look to the right side.

Jon

 

[Hammy]

With an almost 40% jump in price and drastic reduction in the number of low
cost sellers, all of it practically overnight, that ain't just market forces
at work. Something has happened.

Dave.

One of the primary reasons they are so attractive is the price. If
they increase too much sales will plummet. There's always another
cheap DSO Owen comes to mind.

Fortunately for us the entry level DSO market is flooded and very
competitive.

They could just be seeing what the market will bear. That can
backfire.

This assumes its even coming from head office or maybe there's a large
conspiracy of distributors to artificially inflate the price .

A year ago some gas retailers in Ontario where caught price fixing so
it may not be all that far fetched.

 

[Jamie]

I see $411.96.

Jon

You looked at the wrong model, that was to the right in small icon

the one I looked at was down the page a bit in full view.

I really don't think they would give me a different price.

I just did a check with Netscrap a IE, this is strange, Netscrap
does not even show URL after a google search for "DS1052e", IE
does show it as the first one in the list and the price is
full view is still $362.90 "12%" off. That's whole sale price..

I really don't think they're feeling sorry for me and giving me
a break!

 

[gcd]

Hi all,
I think the problem may be that an aus distributor may be complaining to
rigol that international sales are infringing on local sales. One US
distributor refuses to sell to aus due to such an issue.

Greg

 

[David L. Jones]

David:
You said the seller wrote to somebody:

Has it occurred to you that this is exactly the kind of story
that an ejected SCAMMER would tell to rope in a few
more suckers to send them money outside
of the aggressive protection of eBay/Paypal?

Could be, but not my problem, I'm just passing on what was said.
Buyer-beware, as always.
If you are worried then buy from DealExtreme or some other known non-ebay
seller.
Remember, this is not a one-off seller thing, dozens and dozens of
(legitimate) ebay sellers of this scope have suddenly dissapeared. There is
somethign else going on. I have not heard of a single case of anyone being
scammed on a Rigol scope, and I can tell you I get a lot of feedback on this
issue though my blog. Doesn't mean it's safe of course.

How would you know if the seller is a SCAMMER or not?

Err, not too hard. If the seller has a rep of selling the same gear
previously (ebay and other forum history can show that), and most of the
sellers have suddenly disappeared (presumably) due to ebay pulling their
auctions for some competive(?) reason, then it's more probable than not the
seller is not a scammer, they are just caught up in whatever is happening
here.

Dave.

 

[John Devereux]

Ebay exists to collect fees. They don't care who is selling the item
as long as they get their cut. I suspect Rigol stopped supplying these
dealers. They have a right not to sell to any dealer they don't like.

Manufacturers *are* able to excert pressure on them somehow. A friend of
mine came home from the USA with 3 new PS3's just after they were
released there. He put them up on ebay, but the listing was removed
since it was "illegal" to sell them.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

Those "modified sine" inverters are death to electronics, and
certainly to measurements since they radiate RF hash. A true sine is
substantially more money.

Have you actually had them damage anything? I've run chargers for
multiple laptops, cellphones, iPods, etc. as well as solder stations
and other stuff from them without problems, though I do worry. Both
the peak and RMS volages are close enough that it shouldn't bother
electronics (aside from the potential EMC issue).


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[David L. Jones]

Manufacturers *are* able to excert pressure on them somehow. A
friend of mine came home from the USA with 3 new PS3's just after
they were released there. He put them up on ebay, but the listing
was removed since it was "illegal" to sell them.

I'd like to see the paper trail on this. I think there is more to the
story. I see stuff sold on ebay that I know has serious security
concerns regarding export. [There is a New Mexico vendor that is
pulling gear out of Los Alamos.] I see copyrighted literature put on
CDs and sold, such as those electronics manuals that the manufacturer
provides for free but arseholes put on CD to sell to stupid customers.
I just don't believe ebay polices their sales to the degree you are
inferring.

Ebay do nothing until someone complains. Then the bigger you are, the more
your complaint is taken seriously.
Ebay like to do stuff that shows the industries and government that they
care about the law and that they are in control, when in fact they don't
give a toss because they make money on everything of course. But they know
they have to be seen to be doing something at least some of the time.

Dave.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

Manufacturers *are* able to excert pressure on them somehow. A friend of
mine came home from the USA with 3 new PS3's just after they were
released there. He put them up on ebay, but the listing was removed
since it was "illegal" to sell them.

I'd like to see the paper trail on this. I think there is more to the
story. I see stuff sold on ebay that I know has serious security
concerns regarding export. [There is a New Mexico vendor that is
pulling gear out of Los Alamos.] I see copyrighted literature put on
CDs and sold, such as those electronics manuals that the manufacturer
provides for free but arseholes put on CD to sell to stupid customers.
I just don't believe ebay polices their sales to the degree you are
inferring. Probably Sony told ebay the goods are counterfeit.

eBay enforcement is based on complaints.. which could come from
competitors, or the mfrs like Sony. You can bet they take any
complaint from companies like Sony and Disney very seriously.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Jon Kirwan]

Greegor wrote:
David:
You said the seller wrote to somebody:
<quote>
"Hello, Please don't worry, the problem is, an another seller has
complaint by ebay that i'm selling the rigol oscilloscopes at a
dumping price"
He then offered to complete the original low price transaction
outside of ebay.

Has it occurred to you that this is exactly the kind of story
that an ejected SCAMMER would tell to rope in a few
more suckers to send them money outside
of the aggressive protection of eBay/Paypal?

Could be, but not my problem, I'm just passing on what was said.
Buyer-beware, as always.
If you are worried then buy from DealExtreme or some other known
non-ebay seller.
Remember, this is not a one-off seller thing, dozens and dozens of
(legitimate) ebay sellers of this scope have suddenly dissapeared.
There is somethign else going on. I have not heard of a single
case of anyone being scammed on a Rigol scope, and I can tell you
I get a lot of feedback on this issue though my blog. Doesn't mean
it's safe of course.

How would you know if the seller is a SCAMMER or not?

Err, not too hard. If the seller has a rep of selling the same gear
previously (ebay and other forum history can show that), and most
of the sellers have suddenly disappeared (presumably) due to ebay
pulling their auctions for some competive(?) reason, then it's
more probable than not the seller is not a scammer, they are just
caught up in whatever is happening
here.

Dave.

--
---------------------------------------------
Check out my Electronics Engineering Video Blog &
Podcast:http://www.eevblog.com

Ebay exists to collect fees. They don't care who is selling the item
as long as they get their cut. I suspect Rigol stopped supplying
these dealers. They have a right not to sell to any dealer they
don't like.

Manufacturers *are* able to excert pressure on them somehow. A
friend of mine came home from the USA with 3 new PS3's just after
they were released there. He put them up on ebay, but the listing
was removed since it was "illegal" to sell them.

I'd like to see the paper trail on this. I think there is more to the
story. I see stuff sold on ebay that I know has serious security
concerns regarding export. [There is a New Mexico vendor that is
pulling gear out of Los Alamos.] I see copyrighted literature put on
CDs and sold, such as those electronics manuals that the manufacturer
provides for free but arseholes put on CD to sell to stupid customers.
I just don't believe ebay polices their sales to the degree you are
inferring.

Ebay do nothing until someone complains. Then the bigger you are, the more
your complaint is taken seriously.
Ebay like to do stuff that shows the industries and government that they
care about the law and that they are in control, when in fact they don't
give a toss because they make money on everything of course. But they know
they have to be seen to be doing something at least some of the time.

Sounds exactly like credit card companies.

Jon

 

[krw]

Greegor wrote:
David:
You said the seller wrote to somebody:
<quote>
"Hello, Please don't worry, the problem is, an another seller has
complaint by ebay that i'm selling the rigol oscilloscopes at a
dumping price"
He then offered to complete the original low price transaction
outside of ebay.

Has it occurred to you that this is exactly the kind of story
that an ejected SCAMMER would tell to rope in a few
more suckers to send them money outside
of the aggressive protection of eBay/Paypal?

Could be, but not my problem, I'm just passing on what was said.
Buyer-beware, as always.
If you are worried then buy from DealExtreme or some other known
non-ebay seller.
Remember, this is not a one-off seller thing, dozens and dozens of
(legitimate) ebay sellers of this scope have suddenly dissapeared.
There is somethign else going on. I have not heard of a single
case of anyone being scammed on a Rigol scope, and I can tell you
I get a lot of feedback on this issue though my blog. Doesn't mean
it's safe of course.

How would you know if the seller is a SCAMMER or not?

Err, not too hard. If the seller has a rep of selling the same gear
previously (ebay and other forum history can show that), and most
of the sellers have suddenly disappeared (presumably) due to ebay
pulling their auctions for some competive(?) reason, then it's
more probable than not the seller is not a scammer, they are just
caught up in whatever is happening
here.

Dave.

--
---------------------------------------------
Check out my Electronics Engineering Video Blog &
Podcast:http://www.eevblog.com

Ebay exists to collect fees. They don't care who is selling the item
as long as they get their cut. I suspect Rigol stopped supplying
these dealers. They have a right not to sell to any dealer they
don't like.

Manufacturers *are* able to excert pressure on them somehow. A
friend of mine came home from the USA with 3 new PS3's just after
they were released there. He put them up on ebay, but the listing
was removed since it was "illegal" to sell them.

--

John Devereux

I'd like to see the paper trail on this. I think there is more to the
story. I see stuff sold on ebay that I know has serious security
concerns regarding export. [There is a New Mexico vendor that is
pulling gear out of Los Alamos.] I see copyrighted literature put on
CDs and sold, such as those electronics manuals that the manufacturer
provides for free but arseholes put on CD to sell to stupid customers.
I just don't believe ebay polices their sales to the degree you are
inferring.

Ebay do nothing until someone complains. Then the bigger you are, the more
your complaint is taken seriously.
Ebay like to do stuff that shows the industries and government that they
care about the law and that they are in control, when in fact they don't
give a toss because they make money on everything of course. But they know
they have to be seen to be doing something at least some of the time.

Sounds exactly like credit card companies.

I love credit card companies. They let me use their money and give me
free money for the privilege. They also make it hand to buy stuff
online. What's not to like?

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

[email protected] wrote:
Greegor wrote:
David:
You said the seller wrote to somebody:
<quote>
"Hello, Please don't worry, the problem is, an another seller has
complaint by ebay that i'm selling the rigol oscilloscopes at a
dumping price"
He then offered to complete the original low price transaction
outside of ebay.

Has it occurred to you that this is exactly the kind of story
that an ejected SCAMMER would tell to rope in a few
more suckers to send them money outside
of the aggressive protection of eBay/Paypal?

Could be, but not my problem, I'm just passing on what was said.
Buyer-beware, as always.
If you are worried then buy from DealExtreme or some other known
non-ebay seller.
Remember, this is not a one-off seller thing, dozens and dozens of
(legitimate) ebay sellers of this scope have suddenly dissapeared.
There is somethign else going on. I have not heard of a single
case of anyone being scammed on a Rigol scope, and I can tell you
I get a lot of feedback on this issue though my blog. Doesn't mean
it's safe of course.

How would you know if the seller is a SCAMMER or not?

Err, not too hard. If the seller has a rep of selling the same gear
previously (ebay and other forum history can show that), and most
of the sellers have suddenly disappeared (presumably) due to ebay
pulling their auctions for some competive(?) reason, then it's
more probable than not the seller is not a scammer, they are just
caught up in whatever is happening
here.

Dave.

--
---------------------------------------------
Check out my Electronics Engineering Video Blog &
Podcast:http://www.eevblog.com

Ebay exists to collect fees. They don't care who is selling the item
as long as they get their cut. I suspect Rigol stopped supplying
these dealers. They have a right not to sell to any dealer they
don't like.

Manufacturers *are* able to excert pressure on them somehow. A
friend of mine came home from the USA with 3 new PS3's just after
they were released there. He put them up on ebay, but the listing
was removed since it was "illegal" to sell them.

--

John Devereux

I'd like to see the paper trail on this. I think there is more to the
story. I see stuff sold on ebay that I know has serious security
concerns regarding export. [There is a New Mexico vendor that is
pulling gear out of Los Alamos.] I see copyrighted literature put on
CDs and sold, such as those electronics manuals that the manufacturer
provides for free but arseholes put on CD to sell to stupid customers.
I just don't believe ebay polices their sales to the degree you are
inferring.

Ebay do nothing until someone complains. Then the bigger you are, the more
your complaint is taken seriously.
Ebay like to do stuff that shows the industries and government that they
care about the law and that they are in control, when in fact they don't
give a toss because they make money on everything of course. But they know
they have to be seen to be doing something at least some of the time.

Sounds exactly like credit card companies.

I love credit card companies. They let me use their money and give me
free money for the privilege. They also make it hand to buy stuff
online. What's not to like?

They charge merchants a significant fee and force the merchants
contractually to not advertise higher prices for CC purchases. Just
like a 2-3% hidden tax. Sometimes you can wangle a bit of a it back as
a rebate (in cash or airline miles).

But they probably make up for it macro-economically by stimulating the
weak and/or stupid to overspend, so I guess they're not all bad.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Jon Kirwan]

[email protected] wrote:
Greegor wrote:
David:
You said the seller wrote to somebody:
<quote>
"Hello, Please don't worry, the problem is, an another seller has
complaint by ebay that i'm selling the rigol oscilloscopes at a
dumping price"
He then offered to complete the original low price transaction
outside of ebay.

Has it occurred to you that this is exactly the kind of story
that an ejected SCAMMER would tell to rope in a few
more suckers to send them money outside
of the aggressive protection of eBay/Paypal?

Could be, but not my problem, I'm just passing on what was said.
Buyer-beware, as always.
If you are worried then buy from DealExtreme or some other known
non-ebay seller.
Remember, this is not a one-off seller thing, dozens and dozens of
(legitimate) ebay sellers of this scope have suddenly dissapeared.
There is somethign else going on. I have not heard of a single
case of anyone being scammed on a Rigol scope, and I can tell you
I get a lot of feedback on this issue though my blog. Doesn't mean
it's safe of course.

How would you know if the seller is a SCAMMER or not?

Err, not too hard. If the seller has a rep of selling the same gear
previously (ebay and other forum history can show that), and most
of the sellers have suddenly disappeared (presumably) due to ebay
pulling their auctions for some competive(?) reason, then it's
more probable than not the seller is not a scammer, they are just
caught up in whatever is happening
here.

Dave.

--
---------------------------------------------
Check out my Electronics Engineering Video Blog &
Podcast:http://www.eevblog.com

Ebay exists to collect fees. They don't care who is selling the item
as long as they get their cut. I suspect Rigol stopped supplying
these dealers. They have a right not to sell to any dealer they
don't like.

Manufacturers *are* able to excert pressure on them somehow. A
friend of mine came home from the USA with 3 new PS3's just after
they were released there. He put them up on ebay, but the listing
was removed since it was "illegal" to sell them.

--

John Devereux

I'd like to see the paper trail on this. I think there is more to the
story. I see stuff sold on ebay that I know has serious security
concerns regarding export. [There is a New Mexico vendor that is
pulling gear out of Los Alamos.] I see copyrighted literature put on
CDs and sold, such as those electronics manuals that the manufacturer
provides for free but arseholes put on CD to sell to stupid customers.
I just don't believe ebay polices their sales to the degree you are
inferring.

Ebay do nothing until someone complains. Then the bigger you are, the more
your complaint is taken seriously.
Ebay like to do stuff that shows the industries and government that they
care about the law and that they are in control, when in fact they don't
give a toss because they make money on everything of course. But they know
they have to be seen to be doing something at least some of the time.

Sounds exactly like credit card companies.

I love credit card companies. They let me use their money and give me
free money for the privilege. They also make it hand to buy stuff
online. What's not to like?

I do the same thing, just not VISA or MC, anymore. Problem
is, they still make a lot of money on fraud. For VISA, for
example, credit is issued by some bank or credit union ...
not some big VISA-in-the-sky. When there is a dispute, it's
between you and those who issued the credit and VISA makes
money no matter what takes place. So everything makes them
money, fraud included. Hence, no motivation to provide
helpful services like, for instance, the address and location
of some vendor you are certain is fraudulent. They pretty
much don't care.

American Express is a little different. They both issue the
credit _and_ do the transaction work. So they retain a
personal, financial interest in fraud cases. And they seem
to demonstrate that difference, at least to me.

Jon

 

[Joerg]

On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:33:06 +1100, "David L. Jones"

[email protected] wrote:
Greegor wrote:
David:
You said the seller wrote to somebody:
<quote>
"Hello, Please don't worry, the problem is, an another seller has
complaint by ebay that i'm selling the rigol oscilloscopes at a
dumping price"
He then offered to complete the original low price transaction
outside of ebay.
Has it occurred to you that this is exactly the kind of story
that an ejected SCAMMER would tell to rope in a few
more suckers to send them money outside
of the aggressive protection of eBay/Paypal?
Could be, but not my problem, I'm just passing on what was said.
Buyer-beware, as always.
If you are worried then buy from DealExtreme or some other known
non-ebay seller.
Remember, this is not a one-off seller thing, dozens and dozens of
(legitimate) ebay sellers of this scope have suddenly dissapeared.
There is somethign else going on. I have not heard of a single
case of anyone being scammed on a Rigol scope, and I can tell you
I get a lot of feedback on this issue though my blog. Doesn't mean
it's safe of course.
How would you know if the seller is a SCAMMER or not?
Err, not too hard. If the seller has a rep of selling the same gear
previously (ebay and other forum history can show that), and most
of the sellers have suddenly disappeared (presumably) due to ebay
pulling their auctions for some competive(?) reason, then it's
more probable than not the seller is not a scammer, they are just
caught up in whatever is happening
here.
Dave.
--
---------------------------------------------
Check out my Electronics Engineering Video Blog &
Podcast:http://www.eevblog.com
Ebay exists to collect fees. They don't care who is selling the item
as long as they get their cut. I suspect Rigol stopped supplying
these dealers. They have a right not to sell to any dealer they
don't like.
Manufacturers *are* able to excert pressure on them somehow. A
friend of mine came home from the USA with 3 new PS3's just after
they were released there. He put them up on ebay, but the listing
was removed since it was "illegal" to sell them.

--

John Devereux
I'd like to see the paper trail on this. I think there is more to the
story. I see stuff sold on ebay that I know has serious security
concerns regarding export. [There is a New Mexico vendor that is
pulling gear out of Los Alamos.] I see copyrighted literature put on
CDs and sold, such as those electronics manuals that the manufacturer
provides for free but arseholes put on CD to sell to stupid customers.
I just don't believe ebay polices their sales to the degree you are
inferring.
Ebay do nothing until someone complains. Then the bigger you are, the more
your complaint is taken seriously.
Ebay like to do stuff that shows the industries and government that they
care about the law and that they are in control, when in fact they don't
give a toss because they make money on everything of course. But they know
they have to be seen to be doing something at least some of the time.
Sounds exactly like credit card companies.

I love credit card companies. They let me use their money and give me
free money for the privilege. They also make it hand to buy stuff
online. What's not to like?

I do the same thing, just not VISA or MC, anymore. Problem
is, they still make a lot of money on fraud. For VISA, for
example, credit is issued by some bank or credit union ...
not some big VISA-in-the-sky. When there is a dispute, it's
between you and those who issued the credit and VISA makes
money no matter what takes place. So everything makes them
money, fraud included. Hence, no motivation to provide
helpful services like, for instance, the address and location
of some vendor you are certain is fraudulent. They pretty
much don't care.

American Express is a little different. They both issue the
credit _and_ do the transaction work. So they retain a
personal, financial interest in fraud cases. And they seem
to demonstrate that difference, at least to me.

I was thinking about trying Amex again myself. Problem is, many dealers
don't seem to accept them these days. Possibly because of their high fees.