geoff wrote:
David L. Jones wrote:
"Hello, Please don't worry, the problem is, an another seller has
complaint by ebay that i'm selling the rigol oscilloscopes at a
dumping price" He then offered to complete the original low price
transaction
outside of ebay.
Why should 'dumping prices' be a problem ?
It shouldn't be a problem until a local official seller that can't
possibly sell them for the same price complains.
There are countless companies like (presumably) Rigol that have
diferent wholesale pricing in different countries, so an official
dealer in say Australia can't even buy it for less than what
someone in China sells it for
at a profit. Or to hold on to their dealership they aren't allowed
to sell
it under a certain price.
With the advent of ebay and online trading, the world is a global
marketplace, so these sorts of traditional regional pricing models
make it a big fat mess.
You can bet your bottom dollar the ebay sellers in China are (or
were) not dumping the scopes at a loss, they made a very tidy
profit.
I have since heard that another Rigol seller also had their
auctions banned
for "dumping". So this appears to be the reason for removal of the
hundreds
of Rigol's that were for sale on Ebay.
So it's likely that one (probably official Rigol) seller, that may
not even sell on Ebay, spoiled all the fun by complaining.
Dumping is selling beneath the cost of manufacturing, so only the
manufacturer can dump. A vendor can buy out the merchandise from a
store that goes out of business and sell those items for less than
the manufacturing cost. In the states, the FTC would have to
declare a dumping situation. [I haven't had to deal with the FTC in
a long time, but it was an amazingly accessible organization
considering you were dealing with the government.
Like I've said, I need to see the documents on this alleged dumping.
There almost certainly aren't any, it's an internal ebay decision.
The seller probably just got an email informing them their listings
have
been removed because of a breach of some rule, and that's it, end of
story.
Some monkey at Ebay has spoken.
I just don't see Ebay taking sides in any kind of dispute like this.
Ebay are judge, jury and executioner, and they are famous for
showing it.
Indeed, they have to be shown to take complaints of legal matters
seriously,
and they err on the side of caution every time. If they get any
complaint
with the wiff of a legal basis, they'll just pull the listing(s).
Their site, their rules, they don't muck around, and the "victim"
(sellers
in this case) usually doesn't get any recourse.
Rather, I see Rigol deciding not to sell stock to certain vendors
that they don't like.
Maybe, but there are many other ways to obtain them, esp in China,
so that
doesn't explain the lack of no more cheap Rigol scopes on Ebay.
The only facts are that Ebay have removed the cheap Rigol listings
for what
they are calling "dumping".
You can still buy the unit at the old cheap prices from various
other online
dealers, drop-shippers, and Chinese sources, here is but one
example:
http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=rigol&CatId=0
Dave.
